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[Deleted member 15344]

So why are we discussing Taylor Gooch not being eligible for the US Open then, despite clearly being one of the top players in the world right now? Datagolf ranks him the 34th best player in the world, well inside the number that is needed for US Open qual.
OWGR is defunct, unless of course you want to manipulate who plays in certain competitions based on where they play golf, rather than their ability.

Taylor Gooch is not one of the top players in the world - never has been , in 8 years as a pro before leaving for Liv he won once , no top tens in any major. If Gooch doesn’t make a major then it will make zero difference to the interest of that major.

Do you think it would make a difference Gooch not being at a major beyond it mattering to him

There is no manipulation. And each player is judged on the ability based on qualifying criteria.


Simple question - did the LIV golfers know that their events would not carry any ranking points

 

[Mel Smooth]

Taylor Gooch is not one of the top players in the world - never has been , in 8 years as a pro before leaving for Liv he won once , no top tens in any major. If Gooch doesn’t make a major then it will make zero difference to the interest of that major.

Do you think it would make a difference Gooch not being at a major beyond it mattering to him

There is no manipulation. And each player is judged on the ability based on qualifying criteria.


Simple question - did the LIV golfers know that their events would not carry any ranking points

That's another pretty hopeless claim to make Phil. The guy finished 34th at The Masters, he was ranked in the top 30 of the OWGR before joining LIV, he still ranks in the top 40 players in the world on a more reliable system than the one the OWGR uses.
Your standpoint is pretty funny really - you actually want to see less quality on show in the Majors, rather than admit you're on the wrong side of an argument. All the data and results demonstrates that Gooch is a good player worthy of major qualification - but because he hasn't finished in a top ten he isn't worthy according to you.

Maybe they should just get the top 16 players from the OWGR, and send them out in four fourballs - after all, all the other guys aren't worth schizzle, right?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Winning a LiV event or putting together a few good rounds, or even events does not make a player one of the best in the world.

It’s comical to suggest Gooch is one of the best players in the world

 

[Mel Smooth]

Winning a LiV event or putting together a few good rounds, or even events does not make a player one of the best in the world.

It’s comical to suggest Gooch is one of the best players in the world

So before he left for LIV, he wasn't actually any good, his ranking of 31st BEST player in the world was inaccurate was it?
I mean, come on - if you're the 31st best at anything out of 8 billion people, you've got to be one of the best in the world haven't you?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's another pretty hopeless claim to make Phil. The guy finished 34th at The Masters, he was ranked in the top 30 of the OWGR before joining LIV, he still ranks in the top 40 players in the world on a more reliable system than the one the OWGR uses.
Your standpoint is pretty funny really - you actually want to see less quality on show in the Majors, rather than admit you're on the wrong side of an argument. All the data and results demonstrates that Gooch is a good player worthy of major qualification - but because he hasn't finished in a top ten he isn't worthy according to you.

How is it hopeless ? How can someone who hasn’t even had a top ten in a major be one of the top players in the world ?! Since when did coming 34th jn the Masters boost a claim of being one of the top players in the world.

And no he wasn’t inside the top 30 in the world , 31st is his highest ranking. He won once before leaving for LIV - the RSM classic , not even a high class event.

How can someone be “on the wrong side of the argument” based on opinions

And “more” reliable rankings
? But ultimately irrelevant rankings because not one single tour or competition uses them

Maybe they should just get the top 16 players from the OWGR, and send them out in four fourballs - after all, all the other guys aren't worth schizzle, right?

Sorry I’m not sure what that’s attempting to address

The majors won’t lose their appeal over the likes of Gooch not playing. He is your standard tour pro , another Charles Howell as an example , we get into the odd major and be midfield of the pack.

His track record through the last 2 and bit years isn’t stellar by any stretch.

 

[Backsticks]

OWGR is certainly wrong at the moment. But only slightly so. There was a risk it would be dramatically out of line had more golfers of note jumped to LIV, and that risk still remains in theory.
But with the LIV adventure looking failed as far as top rank golfers go, the risk to OWGR flaws in respect of access to majors, looks limited to none. The few LIV golfers that really matter will be in the majors due to their previous wins. The lack of Cantlay/Schauffele/Hovland/etc cohort players going to LIV means there arent really any LIV golfer who should be in majors, who wont be.
So no real need to blow up the OWGR system to cater for something that looks like a damp squib, and will simple petre out to non existance.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Brooks is defo a good shout for a major again.
Looking so solid again in Singapore.
Cameron Smith showing signs of coming out of his winter slumber as well.
Lefty seems to be back.

Liv will be relieved that their stars are starting to fire for them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For the LIV fans - do you think there is an any player regretting moving across ? And is there any players that would jump back to the PGAT if they could ?

Koepka maybe one ?

 

[Bdill93]

Brooks is defo a good shout for a major again.
Looking so solid again in Singapore.
Cameron Smith showing signs of coming out of his winter slumber as well.
Lefty seems to be back.

Liv will be relieved that their stars are starting to fire for them.

Leaderboard after 2 days is absolutely stacked at the top with big names.

 

[Bdill93]

For the LIV fans - do you think there is an any player regretting moving across ? And is there any players that would jump back to the PGAT if they could ?

Koepka maybe one ?

Honestly I think it’s hard to say. Pure speculation.

In 5 years time if guys exemptions run out and they still don’t have entry to majors sorted - then absolutely they will regret it. But for now, they actually seem like they’re starting to have fun on LIV.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

For the LIV fans - do you think there is an any player regretting moving across ? And is there any players that would jump back to the PGAT if they could ?

Koepka maybe one ?

Im a golf fan not a Liv Fan
Watch more PGAT than anything else and also enjoy watching Liv events
I've watched all of the Liv events, I'm so curious as to where this new liv golf dynamic/feel louder golf is going to go in the future and fascinated by the polar opposisites of how its perceived in different territories.

 

[Backsticks]

Honestly I think it’s hard to say. Pure speculation.

In 5 years time if guys exemptions run out and they still don’t have entry to majors sorted - then absolutely they will regret it. But for now, they actually seem like they’re starting to have fun on LIV.

In 5 years time, if it still exists, who would they have as major material ? Its only a handful now. In 5 years time, Smith, Bryson if fit, Koepka probably will still have it. Reed maybe. Some of those will have longer term access to some majors anyway. So it wont be a big deal either way.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

9.25 million dollars for 2 weeks work
Well played Talor Gooch

 

[Mel Smooth]

For the LIV fans - do you think there is an any player regretting moving across ? And is there any players that would jump back to the PGAT if they could ?

Koepka maybe one ?

Do you think there are any players that aren't on LIV, that turned it down, that now regret it?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do you think there are any players that aren't on LIV, that turned it down, that now regret it?

No I don’t think anyone who turned it down regrets that decision.

 

[Jason.H]

Got to admit Gooch is a star.

 

[Mel Smooth]

No I don’t think anyone who turned it down regrets that decision.

Fair enough.
There was an unsubstantiated rumour that Koepka might want to move back, but that's all it was. He more or less clarified at The Masters that he missed competing against some of the guys on the PGAT and was looking forward to doing so at that event, and of course he did pretty well there confirming to himself what he already knew, that he's one of the best players out there.

I've not seen anything else to suggest anybody else is unhappy with where they are.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

In 5 years time, if it still exists, who would they have as major material ? Its only a handful now. In 5 years time, Smith, Bryson if fit, Koepka probably will still have it. Reed maybe. Some of those will have longer term access to some majors anyway. So it wont be a big deal either way.

All of the above is an assumption that Liv stays as it is now with no new significant players having moved in 5 years and doesn't have a pathway to the majors.

But one could also assume in 5 years that it has grown into something more and there is a pathway and other top players have moved across by then

Both of the above are possible but impossible to know for sure unless someone has a DeLorean with a flux capacitor in their garage

I think the reality is more likely that in 5 years if Liv golf is still going strong a way for both tours to Co exist will have been found.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Love the reaction to the shot and then with his caddie

https://twitter.com/x/status/1652503692187418629

 

[Beezerk]

Love the reaction to the shot and then with his caddie

https://twitter.com/x/status/1652503692187418629

That’s a deep fake