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[Deleted member 21445]

Found Kieth Pelley's quotes on his most recent appearance on the golf channel interesting.

The 4 majors are making the decision on Livs application for OWGR.
Luke Donald is free to choose Liv Golfers for the Ryder Cup as his picks if they are still members of the DPWT.
(also worth noting Liv Golfers can be picked for the USA team as well because it is governed by the PGA Of America not the PGAT)

Most euro players have to pay their 100k fines for playing at centurion without a release by 4th May to stay members of DPWT.

Also Rex Hoggard on Golf Channel said on their podcast he believes from his sourses Liv Golfers will be allowed to play on the DPWT in 2024 but will have to play a minimum of 7 events.
Before everyone wades in saying "but these guys want to play less golf" - I think we know that was the stock answer they were told to say in the 1st few events when they were getting bombarded with questions about the source of the money.
On the same podcast they were saying that Brooks and DJ could/should be selected for the USA Ryder Cup team to put out their strongest team,they said those players have not burnt their bridges like Reed and Mickleson have and could be incorporated into the team.

I think DPWT recognises there is some value to allowing Liv golfers play in and raise the profile/interest in their events and because they won the court case they can dictate the parameters of that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Found Kieth Pelley's quotes on his most recent appearance on the golf channel interesting.

The 4 majors are making the decision on Livs application for OWGR.
Luke Donald is free to choose Liv Golfers for the Ryder Cup as his picks if they are still members of the DPWT.
(also worth noting Liv Golfers can be picked for the USA team as well because it is governed by the PGA Of America not the PGAT)

Most euro players have to pay their 100k fines for playing at centurion without a release by 4th May to stay members of DPWT.

Also Rex Hoggard on Golf Channel said on their podcast he believes from his sourses Liv Golfers will be allowed to play on the DPWT in 2024 but will have to play a minimum of 7 events.
Before everyone wades in saying "but these guys want to play less golf" - I think we know that was the stock answer they were told to say in the 1st few events when they were getting bombarded with questions about the source of the money.
On the same podcast they were saying that Brooks and DJ could/should be selected for the USA Ryder Cup team to put out their strongest team,they said those players have not burnt their bridges like Reed and Mockleson have and could be incorporated into the team.

I think DPWT recognises there is some value to allowing Liv golfers play in and raise the profile/interest in their events and because they won the court case they can dictate the parameters of that.

That will be interesting if they are allowed but have to play a minimum of 7 events

Will the events include majors etc or just be standalone ET events - can’t include a Scottish at the moment

So with them contracted to play every single event on LIV plus some Asian International events - then add in ET events they could end up playing just under 25 events a year !

14 LIV events - think someone said was increasing to 18 ?

Then some International events

Then 7 ET events if they want to be a member of the ET

Interesting to see what they pick

 

[Bdill93]

Do they not have subsequent fines for every other event they played too?

I appreciate some gave up their cards so they wouldn't, but not all of them did?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Do they not have subsequent fines for every other event they played too?

I appreciate some gave up their cards so they wouldn't, but not all of them did?

I thought it was just the Centurian event, as they were denied permission to play that one.

 

[Depreston]

the crazies are going off on some tangent here!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651329423671545859

Wowza

 

[Bdill93]

I thought it was just the Centurian event, as they were denied permission to play that one.

I'm kind of asking the question - I don't know! I think you are right.

It just seems weird to me that if they continued to play in LIV events which they still didn't have a release for that each event wouldn't come at some cost?

 

[Oggie41]

I've enjoyed the LIV golf I've watched so far (been watching it on the Amazon Fire Stick app).

If you don't watch it, you won't 'get' it, but for those of us that do, the team element is becoming a significant part of the attraction.

I can't agree with this though... the "team" concept is ridiculous IMO.
(although I'm from the UK where you don't just randomly pick teams to support - the team concept might work better in other countries )

 

[doublebogey7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651534729353592833

Looks like some of the majors are changing criteria

This article looks complete BS to me and is another case of a player moving to LiV without fully unstanding the consequences. The qualifying criteria for the US Open included for the last few years the line:"Those players qualifying for the season-ending Tour Championship". Gooch could not have qualified for the Tour Championship as he was no longer a member of the PGAT . I don't believe for one minute that they have picked on one player. Just another for LiV to continue there woe is me narrative.

 

[doublebogey7]

I'm kind of asking the question - I don't know! I think you are right.

It just seems weird to me that if they continued to play in LIV events which they still didn't have a release for that each event wouldn't come at some cost?

I would imagine that they couldn't issue fines going forward due to the pending court case.

 

[BubbaP]

I would imagine that they couldn't issue fines going forward due to the pending court case.

Believed the fine only applied to events held in Europe.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Believed the fine only applied to events held in Europe.

That’s what I thought was the case - hence why I believe the PGAT players didn’t get any issues for playing in the Centurion event - but did when they played in the events in the US.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651617246739939331

Not sure how many PXG players are in LIV

 

[wjemather]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651534729353592833

Looks like some of the majors are changing criteria

This "change" happened in early February when the US Open exemption criteria were announced (basically adding the word "eligible"). Gooch appears to simply be (re)stating his hope at the time that it wouldn't have happened, and his subsequent disappointment when it did.

Incidentally, The Masters has made the same change to their criteria for next year to fix a loophole/anomaly in the PGA Tour criteria they had previously overlooked.

The only thing worth getting excited about in his interview is the hint that non-exempt LIV players are already receiving special invitations to play in the PGA Championship.

This article looks complete BS to me and is another case of a player moving to LiV without fully unstanding the consequences. The qualifying criteria for the US Open included for the last few years the line:"Those players qualifying for the season-ending Tour Championship". Gooch could not have qualified for the Tour Championship as he was no longer a member of the PGAT . I don't believe for one minute that they have picked on one player. Just another for LiV to continue there woe is me narrative.

Gooch did qualify for the Tour Championship, and afaik is still a member of the PGA Tour - he certainly was at the time. However, due to being suspended by the tour, he wasn't eligible for the TC and since he was the only ineligible player who qualified, the change in criteria only affected him.

 

[wjemather]

That’s what I thought was the case - hence why I believe the PGAT players didn’t get any issues for playing in the Centurion event - but did when they played in the events in the US.

They were all suspended by the PGA Tour as soon as they hit a ball at Centurion.

 

[doublebogey7]

This "change" happened in early February when the US Open exemption criteria were announced (basically adding the word "eligible"). Gooch appears to simply be (re)stating his hope at the time that it wouldn't have happened, and his subsequent disappointment when it did.

Incidentally, The Masters has made the same change to their criteria for next year to fix a loophole/anomaly in the PGA Tour criteria they had previously overlooked.

The only thing worth getting excited about in his interview is the hint that non-exempt LIV players are already receiving special invitations to play in the PGA Championship.


Gooch did qualify for the Tour Championship, and afaik is still a member of the PGA Tour - he certainly was at the time. However, due to being suspended by the tour, he wasn't eligible for the TC and since he was the only ineligible player who qualified, the change in criteria only affected him.

To me this is just a matter if how the US Open have decided to interpret their own rules. Anyway why had Gooch only raised this now when his name was committed from qualified list back on the 15th Feb.

 

[ColchesterFC]

On the same podcast they were saying that Brooks and DJ could/should be selected for the USA Ryder Cup team to put out their strongest team,they said those players have not burnt their bridges like Reed and Mockleson have and could be incorporated into the team.

I'm assuming that was autocorrect but I quite like it.

 

[wjemather]

To me this is just a matter if how the US Open have decided to interpret their own rules. Anyway why had Gooch only raised this now when his name was committed from qualified list back on the 15th Feb.

After winning last week, he was on a podcast discussing things generally, and simply reflected on his disappointment at the time (of the announcement). Naturally, it hasn't quite been framed that way, especially by headline writers.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

After winning last week, he was on a podcast discussing things generally, and simply reflected on his disappointment at the time (of the announcement). Naturally, it hasn't quite been framed that way, especially by headline writers.

What’s happening with the USPGA ?

It also mentions that he has had his invite yet despite being in the qualifying criteria

 

[wjemather]

What’s happening with the USPGA ?

It also mentions that he has had his invite yet despite being in the qualifying criteria

Gooch said he hasn't received an invitation but Varner (and other non-exempt players who are not members of the PGA Tour) have.

 

[Bdill93]

I've enjoyed the LIV golf I've watched so far (been watching it on the Amazon Fire Stick app).


I can't agree with this though... the "team" concept is ridiculous IMO.
(although I'm from the UK where you don't just randomly pick teams to support - the team concept might work better in other countries )

Yes in football and maybe Rugby but tbf not a rugby fan at all...

But if you support a F1 team, a NFL team, NBA, NHL etc. I cant see any other way than random choice in the majority of cases.

As a slight contradiction to that - my American sports teams - Cleveland Browns and Milwaukee Bucks are both because of links to Villa.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651885676210651142