LIV Golf

[AJNairn]

Apologies if this triggers a few, but fundamentally what Greg is saying here about opening up golf to the Asian markets and younger generations is spot on.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1649012118191063040

Ah! The old 'Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics' approach! That suggests, to me, that actual numbers watching LIV (that has included me) are not something GN can use to promote the league! The bung to the Asian Tour, while laudable, has a distinct element of self-interest too, but handy for GN to use for promotion!

 

[Swango1980]

Did you watch the video before you commented?

I read your summary of the video. Was your summary misleading?

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Norman saying that LIV are considering a women's tour. I can see a lot more of the women heading over, due to the lower purses available on the LPGA and Ladies European Tour.

The women will embrace it 100%.

It will have an amazingly positive effect for the women who will play for purses they could only dream of.

It will also be a good news story for Liv to truely be growing the women's pro game.

LIV Golf considering women's tour, says Greg Norman - https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/65333213

 

[AJNairn]

Norman saying that LIV are considering a women's tour. I can see a lot more of the women heading over, due to the lower purses available on the LPGA and Ladies European Tour.

Might be great for some female golfers, but not for Women's Golf imo! I don't believe there's enough depth in Women's Golf for another tour! Could well simply be a threat to stretch PGAT funds, as I'm sure they'd merge with LPGA and use similar tactics as they have with the Men's tour! Given the apparently tiny viewership of LIV on CW now, I can't imagine it getting many viewers either!

 

[Deleted member 29109]

The women will embrace it 100%.

It will have an amazingly positive effect for the women who will play for purses they could only dream of.

It will also be a good news story for Liv to truely be growing the women's pro game.

LIV Golf considering women's tour, says Greg Norman - https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/65333213

How will it impact on the women’s tours if the top talent leave?

 

[Imurg]

Should LIV manage to pull the top 40 or so from the current tours, what happens to the rest of the players?
There's virtually no money below LPGA and the Womens Euro as it is.
Take away the top players and sponsorship will cease, Norwell watch and the Toirs go under - taking those Pross left behind with them...
How is that helping the Women's game?
It's starting to grow, getting attention and beginning to attract sponsorship and money...and Greg wants to blow it all up so the top layer players get paid even more while the rest have to go and work in McDonald's......

 

[evemccc]

Should LIV manage to pull the top 40 or so from the current tours, what happens to the rest of the players?
There's virtually no money below LPGA and the Womens Euro as it is.
Take away the top players and sponsorship will cease, Norwell watch and the Toirs go under - taking those Pross left behind with them...
How is that helping the Women's game?
It's starting to grow, getting attention and beginning to attract sponsorship and money...and Greg wants to blow it all up so the top layer players get paid even more while the rest have to go and work in McDonald's......

How is that any different from the argument about top male golfers leaving the Euro Tour / DP World Tour to play in the PGA Tour? Leading (in the rationale outlined above) to eventual collapse of Europro tour?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How is that any different from the argument about top male golfers leaving the Euro Tour / DP World Tour to play in the PGA Tour? Leading (in the rationale outlined above) to eventual collapse of Europro tour?

What does the collapse of the Europro have to do with the PGA tour and the links with the ET ?

It had nothing to do with it

 

[evemccc]

What does the collapse of the Europro have to do with the PGA tour and the links with the ET ?

Quite clearly, it is the same rationale used by the post above mine…which mine was a response to…

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Quite clearly, it is the same rationale used by the post above mine…which mine was a response to…

No it’s not. Not even close

The Europro is 3 levels down and run separately, it closed due to rising costs

If the Challenge tour closed then you might have a point


The ladies tour in Europe has struggled for years , it just about hangs on with the Aramaco series keeping the best ladies in some events , it’s why things like the Rose Series kicked off

Take away the best players from the LPGA and that tour collapses along with the LET

 

[AJNairn]

Well, no Aussie anywhere near the top of the leader board, so a bit of a damp squib start for the locals, who traditionally love winners but don't give much support to losers! Nice looking course though!

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The women will embrace it 100%.

It will have an amazingly positive effect for the women who will play for purses they could only dream of.

It will also be a good news story for Liv to truely be growing the women's pro game.

LIV Golf considering women's tour, says Greg Norman - https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/65333213

How does taking 54 of the top women golfers away from their current tour help to grow the women's game?
Surely it just weakens the tours and thus shrinks the game as a whole.

 

[Mel Smooth]

How does taking 54 of the top women golfers away from their current tour help to grow the women's game?
Surely it just weakens the tours and thus shrinks the game as a whole.

This point has been made multiple times…

LIV haven’t taken anybody away from anywhere. The players have been banned from playing by the tours that they were originally playing on before joining LIV. Those tours had a decision to make, and that’s is what they chose. Nothing to do with LIV.

Hopefully the ladies game will see sense and embrace the extra funding and exposure that LIV can bring to the game, and move ladies golf on to another level.

 

[AussieKB]

Why does no one talk about the 50-70 pro's who are now getting starts thanks to LIV ?

Am sure they are quite pleased that LIV came along and given them more opportunities.

 

[AJNairn]

How does taking 54 of the top women golfers away from their current tour help to grow the women's game?
Surely it just weakens the tours and thus shrinks the game as a whole.

I doubt it would be 54! More likely to be 36, as there isn't as much depth of quality as there is in the Men's game! Has LIV's presence grown or weakened the Men's game? I think it's just another Greg Norman random comment designed to keep LIV in the news!

 

[Backsticks]

How does taking 54 of the top women golfers away from their current tour help to grow the women's game?
Surely it just weakens the tours and thus shrinks the game as a whole.

I think it would. There isnt big big money in the LPGA, and a limited number of tournaments. If LIV was injecting big paycheques, other tours would benefit from being a gateway to get into LIV.
The dynamic is completely different to the PGAT, where there is already millions available and the push to move to an alternative is muted.
Getting 50 or more ladies to jump would be a much easier lure. LPGA would become a sort of Kornferry, but overall, for ladies golf, it would be a good step up.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why does no one talk about the 50-70 pro's who are now getting starts thanks to LIV ?

Am sure they are quite pleased that LIV came along and given them more opportunities.

Sorry which 50-70 Pros are now getting starts ?

This point has been made multiple times…

LIV haven’t taken anybody away from anywhere. The players have been banned from playing by the tours that they were originally playing on before joining LIV. Those tours had a decision to make, and that’s is what they chose. Nothing to do with LIV.

Hopefully the ladies game will see sense and embrace the extra funding and exposure that LIV can bring to the game, and move ladies golf on to another level.

Do you ever see the negatives of what’s happening? Do you only ever point the fingers away from LIV

Ladies moving to a liv tour would have a dramatic affect on the LPGA and LET which already struggles


But we know that it’s nothing but talk from Norman again and it will just be filed alongside all other stuff he has talked about that didn’t happen and he only talked about due the Ladies Major going on right now and trying to get eyes on a LIV event

 

[Backsticks]

Ladies moving to a liv tour would have a dramatic affect on the LPGA and LET which already struggles

That they struggle, is why LIV wealth would be great for top level ladies golf. With solid financial backing, a struggling top division would be no more. LPGA and Let would be feeders.
Hard to see anything against a ladies LIV, but field should be bigger - at least 80, and no teams. Could be a big success.
LIV can offer a better package than lpga. Which is what they couldnt do with the top PGAT rank, and why they failed.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Sorry which 50-70 Pros are now getting starts ?




Do you ever see the negatives of what’s happening? Do you only ever point the fingers away from LIV

Ladies moving to a liv tour would have a dramatic affect on the LPGA and LET which already struggles


But we know that it’s nothing but talk from Norman again and it will just be filed alongside all other stuff he has talked about that didn’t happen and he only talked about due the Ladies Major going on right now and trying to get eyes on a LIV event

If the LPGA and LET ceased to exist, but we’re replaced by something that improved women’s golf across the board, would you object to it?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If the LPGA and LET ceased to exist, but we’re replaced by something that improved women’s golf across the board, would you object to it?

Would the replacement cover the needs for every single lady golfer form both tours or just a certain amount ?


So that’s events having 200 plus golfers each event