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[Bdill93]

Checked in on the app on Sunday to see who was winning and how some of the big names performed.

Smith was doing poorly and bryson was stinking the place up.

Could not bring myself to watch any or it. The whole presentation and commentary is too much for me to stomach.

Brysons a really interesting case.

Since moving to LIV, his highest finish is 10th... He's absolutely fallen off a cliff!

 

[wjemather]

Brysons a really interesting case.

Since moving to LIV, his highest finish is 10th... He's absolutely fallen off a cliff!

That's a bit misleading. His form was terrible before he joined LIV.

His 2022 results before joining LIV: T25, MC, WD, T58, MC, MC, MC (and the T25 was in a 38-man field, and T58 in the 64-man matchplay). They were followed by T56 at the US Open before playing his first LIV event.

 

[Bdill93]

That's a bit misleading. His form was terrible before he joined LIV.

His 2022 results before joining LIV: T25, MC, WD, T58, MC, MC, MC (and the T25 was in a 38-man field, and T58 in the 64-man matchplay). They were followed by T56 at the US Open before playing his first LIV event.

Its not misleading to say his highest finish is 10th or that he's fallen off a cliff, I didn't say it was down to LIV

3 years ago he was the talk of the town, not a clue whats happened but he won the US open and he's effectively done.

 

[wjemather]

Its not misleading to say his highest finish is 10th or that he's fallen off a cliff, I didn't say it was down to LIV

3 years ago he was the talk of the town, not a clue whats happened but he won the US open and he's effectively done.

When you put the two things together, as you did, that is the implication.

 

[Bdill93]

When you put the two things together, as you did, that is the implication.

No, you put them together by bolding my 2 points and ignoring the bit in the middle.

 

[Liverpoolphil]

https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/liv-golf-division-prize-money/

Are things starting to crack a little ?

 

[Bdill93]

https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/liv-golf-division-prize-money/

Are things starting to crack a little ?

I mean I guess it depends how you read the article.

Undoubtedly LIV have probably not shared full truths with some of the players they've signed... I didn't know this season was 14 events instead of 12 until a couple of weeks before the season started, the two additional events did seem to pop up out of nowhere.

Na's comments are pretty clear, there's a ton of money there still and they are earning plenty.

Team money going into team funds was discussed on here before the first event by Mel, so if we knew about it the players certainly would have too. They do get the money - they get what's left at the end of the season after all the teams expenses are taken. A team only needs to win 1 event over the season to be self sufficient. Every further win would just add to their pot to divide amongst the players at the season end.

Its clear they still want to sell off the teams to private companies at some stage, that'll be the making or breaking of LIV in my eyes!

 

[Mel Smooth]

I mean I guess it depends how you read the article.

Undoubtedly LIV have probably not shared full truths with some of the players they've signed... I didn't know this season was 14 events instead of 12 until a couple of weeks before the season started, the two additional events did seem to pop up out of nowhere.

Na's comments are pretty clear, there's a ton of money there still and they are earning plenty.

Team money going into team funds was discussed on here before the first event by Mel, so if we knew about it the players certainly would have too. They do get the money - they get what's left at the end of the season after all the teams expenses are taken. A team only needs to win 1 event over the season to be self sufficient. Every further win would just add to their pot to divide amongst the players at the season end.

Its clear they still want to sell off the teams to private companies at some stage, that'll be the making or breaking of LIV in my eyes!

NCG tend to be biased in their reporting of LIV, eg, there are 3 teams with sponsors on board, which was information confirmed by Shipnuck in the same interview - but that didn’t make their article. 👍

 

[Liverpoolphil]

NCG tend to be biased in their reporting of LIV, eg, there are 3 teams with sponsors on board, which was information confirmed by Shipnuck in the same interview - but that didn’t make their article. 👍

Which teams have sponsers ?

Can see Easypost which has also sponsered Reed ?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Which teams have sponsers ?

Can see Easypost which has also sponsered Reed ?

That information isn’t known as yet.
I’d expect the 4 Aces are one of them though.,

 

[rksquire]

Brysons a really interesting case.

Since moving to LIV, his highest finish is 10th... He's absolutely fallen off a cliff!

Probably depends on what he wants to do.... he finished runner up at the Long Drive which is impressive; I think his bomb & gouge philosophy is flawed for the professional golf but he won't want to admit it as it will probably work occasionally; suspect he's also spending less time on other aspects of his game.

 

[Liverpoolphil]

That information isn’t known as yet.
I’d expect the 4 Aces are one of them though.,

Sorry confused ? You said 3 teams have sponsers on board so how do you know if it’s not known yet

 

[Bdill93]

Probably depends on what he wants to do.... he finished runner up at the Long Drive which is impressive; I think his bomb & gouge philosophy is flawed for the professional golf but he won't want to admit it as it will probably work occasionally; suspect he's also spending less time on other aspects of his game.

I think he's cutting back a bit on that as well.... Not really sure what his approach is anymore other than being awful.

I think its a shame too, I like Bryson for all of his flaws!

 

[wjemather]

Sorry confused ? You said 3 teams have sponsers on board so how do you know if it’s not known yet

Reported by Alan Shipnuck: "Three teams have already locked down corporate sponsorships deals, although the details have not yet been announced as the logos and messaging gets finalized. "
(Full story: https://firepitcollective.com/liv-golfs-growing-pains/)

 

[Liverpoolphil]

Reported by Alan Shipnuck: "Three teams have already locked down corporate sponsorships deals, although the details have not yet been announced as the logos and messaging gets finalized. "
(Full story: https://firepitcollective.com/liv-golfs-growing-pains/)

That article doesn’t read very well for the future

A lot do reliance on maximum exposure for the players and liv comps

the lack of any real mainstream media deal is going to harm a lot of those plans

Teams been potentially in the red ?!

Who is going to spend 7 figures plus to buy a team when the exposure for those teams is very minimal and hard to see where the rewards come from ?

Big year ahead for them

Could all come tumbling down

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I read somewhere that only 7,000 TV viewers watched one day of a recent event.
Probably 50 x that watch Mrs Browns Boys.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Sorry confused ? You said 3 teams have sponsers on board so how do you know if it’s not known yet

You posted the link that sourced the journalist who provided the information for the NCG article Phil, you clearly think it’s accurate as you keep on highlighting any negative slant you can from both that, and the fire pit collective article with regard to LIV. If that information is trusted, then you better trust the same journalist that is saying there are 3 team sponsors on board, because if you don’t, you undermine the basis of all your own arguments. 👍

 

[BiMGuy]

I read somewhere that only 7,000 TV viewers watched one day of a recent event.
Probably 50 x that watch Mrs Browns Boys.

Funny how there isn’t much talk about viewing figures from the LiV marketing department.

Nor is there much mention of the performance of their superstars who should all still be at the top of the world rankings apparently 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[Liverpoolphil]

You posted the link that sourced the journalist who provided the information for the NCG article Phil, you clearly think it’s accurate as you keep on highlighting any negative slant you can from both that, and the fire pit collective article with regard to LIV. If that information is trusted, then you better trust the same journalist that is saying there are 3 team sponsors on board, because if you don’t, you undermine the basis of all your own arguments. 👍

Sorry but what 🤷‍♂️

You said there teams that have sponsers , I asked which ones and you said you didn’t know , so I asked how you know that teams have sponsers, someone else provided the article with the relevant information 🤷‍♂

It’s prob fair to suggest that if you provided the link when you made the statement it would have prob saved a bit of time 👍

 

[Mel Smooth]

Sorry but what 🤷‍♂️

You said there teams that have sponsers , I asked which ones and you said you didn’t know , so I asked how you know that teams have sponsers, someone else provided the article with the relevant information 🤷‍♂

It’s prob fair to suggest that if you provided the link when you made the statement it would have prob saved a bit of time 👍

It probably just demonstrates how gullible people are to be fair.
Did you see Sergio’s response to the article from Couples you posted the other day?
He nailed it, and made Couples look like his comments were slightly unhinged….. but you probably won’t have seen much of it from the media feeds that you want to believe. ;-)