LIV Golf

[ColchesterFC]

I don't see how the LIV players can possibly hope to win their court case to be allowed to play on either the European Tour or the PGA Tour. It seems as though they are contracted to play in all 14 of the LIV events each year which is fine, but what if the other two tours said that to be a member of that tour they had to play at least 20 or 24 tournaments on that tour each year? How many of the LIV players are going to commit to playing 34 or 38 weeks of the year, or even more if the majors aren't included in that number? If LIV are able to say that they have to play in a set amount of tournaments then surely the other tours are equally within their rights to set a minimum number as well. And the other tours could argue that LIV insist on their players playing in 100% of their events while they are only insisting on 40/50/60% or whatever it might be. Playing 14 events on the LIV tour plus the four majors is 18 weeks of golf each year. Why should they then be allowed to cherry pick a few European tour or PGA tour events to play in each season without a commitment to a minimum number?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633739840532680705

 

[Slab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633739840532680705

Can't play the video. Does he mean not return or never return

Pgat Would be a bit of a closed shop if a player left liv, paid the korn ferry fees, won it and was then not allowed to progress to the pgat

 

[Deleted member 29109]

It does make one wonder if there is some truth in the rumours that Brooks and others are wanting out of LiV.

I’d be surprised if a number of players haven’t got lawyers looking at their contracts to see if they can get out of them depending on what comes out during the various court cases, or if Greg Norman has made promises he cannot keep.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Liv Golf slowly starting to add sponsors to their events.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633256262975754241

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't see how the LIV players can possibly hope to win their court case to be allowed to play on either the European Tour or the PGA Tour. It seems as though they are contracted to play in all 14 of the LIV events each year which is fine, but what if the other two tours said that to be a member of that tour they had to play at least 20 or 24 tournaments on that tour each year? How many of the LIV players are going to commit to playing 34 or 38 weeks of the year, or even more if the majors aren't included in that number? If LIV are able to say that they have to play in a set amount of tournaments then surely the other tours are equally within their rights to set a minimum number as well. And the other tours could argue that LIV insist on their players playing in 100% of their events while they are only insisting on 40/50/60% or whatever it might be. Playing 14 events on the LIV tour plus the four majors is 18 weeks of golf each year. Why should they then be allowed to cherry pick a few European tour or PGA tour events to play in each season without a commitment to a minimum number?

There are a good number of US players who come across and dip into the DP world Tour for a few events and then go off again. Billy Horschel stands out, Patrick Reed did before LIV. They don't play many DP events, just a small number. The precedent is there.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There are a good number of US players who come across and dip into the DP world Tour for a few events and then go off again. Billy Horschel stands out, Patrick Reed did before LIV. They don't play many DP events, just a small number. The precedent is there.

Depends on how they have entered the events

Some have entry for world rankings without having to be members of the tour

And Reed and even Horschel played in the required number of the events to allow them to play and keep their membership - same with Rahm , Hovland etc

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Depends on how they have entered the events

Some have entry for world rankings without having to be members of the tour

And Reed and even Horschel played in the required number of the events to allow them to play and keep their membership - same with Rahm , Hovland etc

The point being, LIV players would likely meet that number if allowed. It isn't many events they have to play after all. I get the argument about not being able to cherry pick PGA comps but players have been doing that at DP events for years. It brings extra publicity, credibility etc to the DP Tour and it works for everyone concerned.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The point being, LIV players would likely meet that number if allowed. It isn't many events they have to play after all. I get the argument about not being able to cherry pick PGA comps but players have been doing that at DP events for years. It brings extra publicity, credibility etc to the DP Tour and it works for everyone concerned.

The DP had the old WGC’s , Majors etc in their list of events that qualify - a lot of the LIV players won’t be playing in all those events so to be able to play in the ET they will need to play in a lot more of the regular ET events to have dual membership.

If the LIV players have entry into all four majors then they will have a smaller amount of events they have to play in on both sides of the pond

 

[fundy]

Liv Golf slowly starting to add sponsors to their events.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633256262975754241

Are they playing there? Stunning resort and some great holes, albeit im remembering from 30+ years ago!

 

[wjemather]

The DP had the old WGC’s , Majors etc in their list of events that qualify - a lot of the LIV players won’t be playing in all those events so to be able to play in the ET they will need to play in a lot more of the regular ET events to have dual membership.

If the LIV players have entry into all four majors then they will have a smaller amount of events they have to play in on both sides of the pond

As far as I know, the DPWT minimum is still just 4 events. Majors and WGCs stopped being included in 2016 when the minimum was reduced from 13 to 5; it was reduced to 4 in 2018.
Any interested LIV golfer would have no problem meeting such trivial requirements. They could even play all the majors, a extra couple of DPWT events, the Saudi International and a bunch of Asian Tour International Series events and still total fewer little more than 25 tournaments per year.

 

[Backsticks]

On promotion/relegation to a lesser tour, Mickelson could very easy slip out the bottom now. So he would have no tour at all to play on, when he could have been moving securely to the Champions tour. If he forfeits his money, he could be quite the loser.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Mickelson is a team franchise owner, he's going nowhere.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As far as I know, the DPWT minimum is still just 4 events. Majors and WGCs stopped being included in 2016 when the minimum was reduced from 13 to 5; it was reduced to 4 in 2018.
Any interested LIV golfer would have no problem meeting such trivial requirements. They could even play all the majors, a extra couple of DPWT events, the Saudi International and a bunch of Asian Tour International Series events and still total fewer than 25 tournaments per year.

Yes just checked - they need to play 4 but one needs to be in their home country ( apart from Us players )

With the majors , the required LIV events that’s already 22 events - there was talk that they have to play a number of Asians Tour events they could easily be hitting 30 events but I suspect the players playing Majors won’t want to play any ET events and the others will be searching for the points and entry into majors. Think some still harbour hopes of playing in RC as well

Mickelson is a team franchise owner, he's going nowhere.

Not really true relegation then when it’s only applied to certain players. I suspect no player under contract will be relegated regardless of how they do

 

[Swango1980]

Mickelson is a team franchise owner, he's going nowhere.

Imagine beating Phil over the season, and still losing your place on LIV while Phil remains, with that big grin on his face. That's LIV for you

 

[wjemather]

Yes just checked - they need to play 4 but one needs to be in their home country ( apart from Us players )

With the majors , the required LIV events that’s already 22 events - there was talk that they have to play a number of Asians Tour events they could easily be hitting 30 events but I suspect the players playing Majors won’t want to play any ET events and the others will be searching for the points and entry into majors. Think some still harbour hopes of playing in RC as well

*Not just US players - anyone without an event in their home country

There are too many arguments in this thread based on unsubstantiated speculation. That aside, the Saudi International and International Series are Asian Tour events, and many LIV golfers have already been playing in both these events and DPWT events. There are very few that want to limit their schedules to under 25 events; many more still want a fuller 25-30 (or more) tournament schedule, and many of those will want to join (or remain with) the DPWT to do that (while also playing a few AT and other events).

 

[wjemather]

Imagine beating Phil over the season, and still losing your place on LIV while Phil remains, with that big grin on his face. That's LIV for you

It's functionally not much different to what happens all the time on other tours with exemption categories for lifetime earnings, etc. having higher priority than the previous season points list.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not really true relegation then when it’s only applied to certain players. I suspect no player under contract will be relegated regardless of how they do

A bit like invitations then on the PGA tour? After all, Tiger is currently 986th in the world and yet which PGA tournament is not going to offer him a slot if he is available? People like to look for differences but sometimes the gaps are paper thin.

Phil is a big name, he attracts fan, advertisers etc. There will reach a point where someone has a quiet word in his ear and an agreement is reached but he is not quite there yet (perhaps not far off though)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A bit like invitations then on the PGA tour? After all, Tiger is currently 986th in the world and yet which PGA tournament is not going to offer him a slot if he is available? People like to look for differences but sometimes the gaps are paper thin.

Phil is a big name, he attracts fan, advertisers etc. There will reach a point where someone has a quiet word in his ear and an agreement is reached but he is not quite there yet (perhaps not far off though)

Woods is a lifetime member of the tour because of the events that he has won on tour - the same with many other multiple major winners

 

[Mel Smooth]

Woods is a lifetime member of the tour because of the events that he has won on tour - the same with many other multiple major winners

And Mickelson is a team captain on LIV because of the events he has won. So where’s the issue?