LIV Golf

[Deleted member 15344]

So has anything new actually happened yet with LIV for this year ?

Any changes for the season. Is it the same players as last year ?

I fully understand that some people would like a shorter format to watch golf , smaller fields etc and shotgun starts provide that

But do you actually see anymore Golf than a normal format ?

You see the same amount in the same 5 hours as an example but in the normal golf tours you actually If you want can go and watch more ? - you can follow one group for 4 hours and then if you want , go and follow a second group or you can just leave it pop to the bar after

You get a full days worth of entertainment as opposed to just 5 hours worth

 

[Imurg]

So has anything new actually happened yet with LIV for this year ?

Any changes for the season. Is it the same players as last year ?

I fully understand that some people would like a shorter format to watch golf , smaller fields etc and shotgun starts provide that

But do you actually see anymore Golf than a normal format ?

You see the same amount in the same 5 hours as an example but in the normal golf tours you actually If you want can go and watch more ? - you can follow one group for 4 hours and then if you want , go and follow a second group or you can just leave it pop to the bar after

You get a full days worth of entertainment as opposed to just 5 hours worth

But they do give you free tickets.....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But they do give you free tickets.....

That is very true - it is all free to everyone , free entry , free viewing on Telly - that’s not a bad thing

 

[Bdill93]

So has anything new actually happened yet with LIV for this year ?

Any changes for the season. Is it the same players as last year ?

I fully understand that some people would like a shorter format to watch golf , smaller fields etc and shotgun starts provide that

But do you actually see anymore Golf than a normal format ?

You see the same amount in the same 5 hours as an example but in the normal golf tours you actually If you want can go and watch more ? - you can follow one group for 4 hours and then if you want , go and follow a second group or you can just leave it pop to the bar after

You get a full days worth of entertainment as opposed to just 5 hours worth

I don't think its about "more golf" I think its watch some golf and have a good time. Very much like 20/20 cricket.

I appreciate a PGA tour event probably has great catering etc. for fans so there's not a lot of disparity there but LIV put on evening concerts and stuff that isn't related to golf at all. Its catering to the casual golf fan not the hardcore. Plus you can buy tickets for the last day of the event knowing the player you want to watch will be playing.

 

[Crow]

Glad I dropped in to the thread, the last 3 pages gave had some really insightful comments that the previous 473 pages completely missed.

 

[Swango1980]

Glad I dropped in to the thread, the last 3 pages gave had some really insightful comments that the previous 473 pages completely missed.

And of those 473 pages, there were comments like yours as well. But, always worth highlighting again I suppose

 

[Crow]

And of those 473 pages, there were comments like yours as well. But, always worth highlighting again I suppose

I don't see why 8 or 10 people should have the exclusive right to spout repetitive drivel for 476 pages and so chose to exercise my right to join in.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't think its about "more golf" I think its watch some golf and have a good time. Very much like 20/20 cricket.

I appreciate a PGA tour event probably has great catering etc. for fans so there's not a lot of disparity there but LIV put on evening concerts and stuff that isn't related to golf at all. Its catering to the casual golf fan not the hardcore. Plus you can buy tickets for the last day of the event knowing the player you want to watch will be playing.

There have been a number of events that also provide some level of entertainment etc at golf events - it’s always a good thing , and it’s the same at the likes of T20

 

[Swango1980]

I don't see why 8 or 10 people should have the exclusive right to spout repetitive drivel for 476 pages and so chose to exercise my right to join in.

I wasn't really having a go at you. I have raised the very same point once or twice before on this thread myself. It is just ironic that I, or others, choose to repeat a point that has been made before, a point that is highlighting repetitive posts.

I suppose it might also highlight that there is only a limited amount of things to talk about when it comes to LIV.

 

[cleveland52]

I suppose the main point for me is - who actually watches the full show of every Pro Golf event over 72 holes? You'd need hours and hours free. Majors excluded.

LIV's events start and finish within 5 hours or so. There's a limited field of guaranteed stars* who participate in every event without fail.

The up and coming Tik Tok generation want fast, punchy entertainment and they want it now. The PGA Tour model does not lend itself to that as well as LIV does.

There will always be exceptions to the rule, but people and their habits are changing rapidly - I'm 29 and feel more part of the older generation than the younger!

*I expected a stronger field by now.....

Golf is not like any other sport that's televised. With golf you can muti-task during the proceedings. Anything missed will be shown over and over again. Viewers of golf can leave and comeback and pick right up where they left off. Rarely does anyone sit a continuous six to seven hours straight as you are insinuating. The first three days are used for posturing and the back nine on Sunday is the payoff.

No two golf fans viewing habits are the same. People have been known to actually do the laundry while watching a golf tournament at the same time. LOL!

 

[cleveland52]

LIV will figure out that a PGAT golf tournament is six hours a day and four days a week so they can fit more sponsor advertising in their televised window.

As long as said tournaments are completed by 6PM eastern time.

 

[Mel Smooth]

LIV will figure out that a PGAT golf tournament is six hours a day and four days a week so they can fit more sponsor advertising in their televised window.

As long as said tournaments are completed by 6PM eastern time.

So what you are basically saying is, the PGA Tour are complete sellouts ;-)

 

[cleveland52]

So what you are basically saying is, the PGA Tour are complete sellouts ;-)

No......I'm saying that the PGAT is an entertainment business first and foremost.

 

[Mel Smooth]

No......I'm saying that the PGAT is an entertainment business first and foremost.

Strange. People have been questioning LIV over its sporting integrity, but you’re saying that the PGAT is primarily about entertainment?

They’ll be concerned that viewing figures for the Sony Open were almost 30% down then…

 

[Swango1980]

Would it be reasonable to say that any organisation that strives to make as much money as possible is successful all round, generally? After all, it is encouraging more fans to invest, and more sponsors to invest due to greater exposure.

Is that the Achilles heel of LIV? They are not running that type of business model yet, they just throw all the money into it themselves. So, they could be missing a few tricks in what fans actually invest in, because it simply isn't a requirement for them yet.

I appreciate people will say the format changes will bring in a new audience. However, are we saying the PGA have never tried to tap into a new audience? Not investigated ways to open their product to more people? I'd have thought they are constantly trying to improve what they offer. Given that it has been going on for years, they'll have already had to turn over multiple generations of fans, and it's popularity has seemed to grow. The Tiger effect was a big factor, and I am sure thet have used that to their advantage. But other tweaks, say with the FedEx have been added and changed.

Nothing will ever be perfect, especially when viewing as any individual, as we all have different tastes. But I'm not sure LIV is actually making things fresh in any logical way, but changing things a bit more haphazardly. They don't yet need to worry about financial losses if they get it wrong. Yet the PGA has to be sustainable, and must be constantly trying to improve and innovate.

 

[Swango1980]

Strange. People have been questioning LIV over its sporting integrity, but you’re saying that the PGAT is primarily about entertainment?

They’ll be concerned that viewing figures for the Sony Open were almost 30% down then…

You do make some crazy shifts in logic in what other people say. I have to applaud you really, makes me laugh.

Somehow directly relating sporting integrity with entertainment. As if pure sporting integrity is nothing to do with entertainment, but anything that is entertaining has no sporting integrity.

No one has ever ever said that. All some have said is that LIV has little sporting integrity, thus all it is left with is being an entertainment package. Bit like WCW (not the fixed result element, but the sporting integrity element)

 

[Mel Smooth]

You do make some crazy shifts in logic in what other people say. I have to applaud you really, makes me laugh.

Somehow directly relating sporting integrity with entertainment. As if pure sporting integrity is nothing to do with entertainment, but anything that is entertaining has no sporting integrity.

No one has ever ever said that. All some have said is that LIV has little sporting integrity, thus all it is left with is being an entertainment package. Bit like WCW (not the fixed result element, but the sporting integrity element)

Why does LIV have little sporting integrity? Professional golfers playing for prizes, by the rules of golf - that's it in it's simplest terms, isn't it?

People have just come up with a baseless argument to try and form an argument against LIV.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Strange. People have been questioning LIV over its sporting integrity, but you’re saying that the PGAT is primarily about entertainment?

They’ll be concerned that viewing figures for the Sony Open were almost 30% down then…

I’m not sure the angle you are looking at but in regards “integrity” I’ll post a few thoughts

1. The way LIV went around “recruiting”‘players

2. Players being put onto a contract being paid huge sums regardless of performance and then you have some players playing well but getting dumped out because they aren’t on a contract

3. Lawsuits - not sure how many there are now , think Reed himself has 3 on the go

4. Greg Norman

And all sport is primarily about entertainment but many play the sport ti earn a living

 

[Mel Smooth]

I’m not sure the angle you are looking at but in regards “integrity” I’ll post a few thoughts

1. The way LIV went around “recruiting”‘players

2. Players being put onto a contract being paid huge sums regardless of performance and then you have some players playing well but getting dumped out because they aren’t on a contract

3. Lawsuits - not sure how many there are now , think Reed himself has 3 on the go

4. Greg Norman

And all sport is primarily about entertainment but many play the sport ti earn a living

They offered players significant sums of money to play - standard practice on the PGAT (see Rory McIlroy and Tiger Woods)

Players are contracted across the sporting world Phil, it's absolutely nothing new.

The lawsuits are a result of the actions of the PGAT and their media - Brandel Chamblee has overstepped the mark multiple times - and Patrick Reed is perfectly entitled to seek to right what he sees as a wrong.

Greg Norman - Jay Monahan - both as bad, and as good as each other. I posted the video of Monahan propagating hate over 9/11 a week or so back - so if you want to call out GN, then call out Monahan as well.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They offered players significant sums of money to play - standard practice on the PGAT (see Rory McIlroy and Tiger Woods)

Players are contracted across the sporting world Phil, it's absolutely nothing new.

The lawsuits are a result of the actions of the PGAT and their media - Brandel Chamblee has overstepped the mark multiple times - and Patrick Reed is perfectly entitled to seek to right what he sees as a wrong.

Greg Norman - Jay Monahan - both as bad, and as good as each other. I posted the video of Monahan propagating hate over 9/11 a week or so back - so if you want to call out GN, then call out Monahan as well.

Was just giving you some reasons why

1. Players do get appearance money to play in events - i don’t believe there are any underhand tactics involved in that

2. How many golfers outside the LIV tour are on contracts ? Doesn’t matter what other sports do - we are discussing golf here where is earning your money and if you aren’t good enough you drop down the rankings and don’t play in the big events.

3. How many lawsuits in golf where there before LIV arrived ?‍

4. I have no idea what Monahan does but you can see how Norman acts within the sport - can’t recall Monahan being asked not to appear at a major