Mel Smooth
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Can you back that up with some solid evidence please buddy?
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Can you back that up with some solid evidence please buddy?
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That’s not great for them
Golfnut1957
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That sounds perfect for the BBC. A sports package that costs nothing. They will stick a highlights programme on BBC3 at 2 O' clock in the morning.
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Don’t think even the BBC will touch it - far too toxic and divisive
Mel Smooth
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What’s toxic about LIV golf that you can’t also throw at Newcastle United, or Facebook, Disney etc?
By the way, the BBC won’t touch it - that’s obvious from the way they’ve reported on LIV so far.
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Swango1980
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Channel 5?
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Mel Smooth
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Sorry but what’s that got to do with the BBC prob not broadcasting LIV golf ?
Well the BBC candidly feature Newcastle United all the time, so what is the difference between LIV, and Newcastle United that makes one toxic and the other not. It can’t be the source of the funding, because it all comes from the same pot?
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The BBC feature Newcastle as part of a wider television deal that includes all the football clubs ?
Newcastle ownership has been debated because of the funding on the relevant thread
And if you want to understand how LIV is toxic and divisive then re read the thread
The lawsuits
The social media battles
The way it’s split the sport
The money
HomerJSimpson
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Different year and the same old arguments and same protagonists bickering. Like it or not LIV is here for the forseeable future and all that needs to be seen is the impact things like the RC (team selection) and those who may wish to come back a main tour are allowed to do so (or not). The rest at present is petty point scoring with no-one knowing with ANY certainty of the outcomes and what is actually except for the reports published and conjecture on social media
Mel Smooth
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The BBC feature Newcastle as part of a wider television deal that includes all the football clubs ?
Newcastle ownership has been debated because of the funding on the relevant thread
And if you want to understand how LIV is toxic and divisive then re read the thread
The lawsuits
The social media battles
The way it’s split the sport
The money
The lawsuits are trying to re-establish a position where the sport isn’t split.
Social media battles, well I’d argue most of the hostility has come from those in support of the established tours, but obviously it takes two to tango.
The money - all top sports stars are obscenely overpaid, and in order for any sport’s organisation to establish itself as a contender, they have to pay a lot of it.
There is toxicity, because that’s exactly what the PGAT want, you only have to read some of the inflammatory bs produced by some of their media to see that. Infact the video I posted yesterday, spin from Monahan himself to stir up hate and division.
Quite sad.
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Your post proves the point - the whole thing is toxic and divisive to the sport and has been since it arrived and will continue to do so
Someone came along offered unlimited amount of money to play the sport , the players were happy to take it but then they also wanted to hang around the established tours and have some of that cake as well
If you can’t see how that’s going to create a massive negative atmosphere within the sport as well as where 100% of the funding is coming from. There is a reason why media companies don’t want to touch it with a bargepole - it’s not sustainable and could quite easily just stop at the drop of a hat - why would any media company take that risk
Mel Smooth
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Football is unsustainable - 5 Premier League teams turned a profit last year, but it doesn’t stop more and more money being ploughed in.
Yes LIV could stop, or they may continue until they’re successful, nobody really knows, but in any event, it has exposed some pretty substantial holes in the way the professional game is focussed on one particular tour. Golf is already seeing the benefit of that globally - which is great.
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Money really doesn't matter to them in the start up phase.
Their plan will be to get their product in front of more people on TV networks to help build the brand and then hopefully charge for it in the future.
As strange as it may seem now there was a time the Ryder Cup was in the same position in the 80s before it became what it is today.
Once it was seen by a bigger audience and became a contest - Liftoff.
Now before anybody jumps the gun I am NOT saying that Liv and the Ryder Cup are the same but just pointing out that what Liv is proposing is not unprecedented.
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"Meanwhile in America, the Cup had become television poison. In 1983, Roone Arledge, the president of ABC Sports at the time, is reported to have made a rather unusual offer to the PGA of America: he wanted to pay them back $1 million in order that he did not have to broadcast the Ryder Cup from PGA National Golf Club in Florida. It was not an offer the PGA of America accepted, but it demonstrated the low level of interest in the one-sided matches."
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Unsustainable in the conventional sense. But, (Premier League) Football and LIV have similar funding models... normal rules don't apply. People with endless cash are happy to fund it for their various motives. One day they might get bored and find a new toy, maybe they won't.
Sky TV is slightly different, but their growth was predicated on Sports screening. If it gets increasingly watered down by other suppliers, that'll be a challenge for them.
It ruined football lower down the food chain, splitting golf won't do it any good either. But the very rich will get even richer.
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The problem is they can’t get any sort of media at all - they even tried to buy airtime in the US
The only way they can get people to watch is via You Tube , they can’t give it away for free to any mainstream media
They don’t really have any sponsers as such , it’s fully funded by Saudi and last year to a tune of a couple of billion
What is the ultimate aim ? It’s only grabbing any attention because of the actions and how it’s come about , people very rarely talk about the actual golf even when the events are on - people aren’t having any connections to the players or the events themselves , they make themselves even more divisive aligning with the most divisive US President in history
When last season finished the main talking point was how much someone earned - it wasn’t about who won this tournament and that tournament
So the overall aim just seems to be to make a small amount of golfers even more richer than they were anyway
Football is sustainable, and has been for a long time - each club and league bring in billions in media rights and sponserships
Football isnt being held up financially by one single entity
What other income does LiV have beyond PIF ?
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Mel Smooth
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Football is being held up by unquantifiable debt Phil, if you are trying to suggest Sky Tv is propping it up, then you are wrong. They are just dangling a financial carrot for everybody to chase.
Maybe you’re not familiar with the economics of the game outside of the top few PL clubs, but largely, without owners with money they are willing to lose, football as we know it wouldn’t exist.
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Sky Tv isn’t propping it up - multiple revenue streams are hence why is said media rights and sponserships
There are also many clubs out there that work sustainable
Some have debt to owners , some have debt to banks for stadium builds
football as a sport doesn’t just rely on the personal income of single owners
And the media deal for the Premier League I believe is around £10bn
If owners didn’t put in their own money then clubs would have to rely on the other avenues - many clubs can it
LIV has a single income - Saudi Royal money
there is no sponsers , no media rights - it’s relying on Saudis good will to keep the whole tour alive
Mel Smooth
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LIV is not even one year old, how on earth would they have sponsors for something that didn’t exist 12 months back - that doesn’t mean they won’t in the future.
The PIF is financially integrated globally on a level that the PGA tour can only dream of. I’d imagine there are plenty to f discussions going on to bring some of those business partners on board, but Rome was not built in a day.
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So despite all the social media accounts pushing the tour , spending all that money on some top players they still have no media contract and no sponsers
Plenty of start up leagues and comps in the past have secured sponsers and media rights before they start ?
Any new recent cricket league managed it ?
How come LIV can’t even give away media rights or even pay for media time on a network ?
There has been talk of major brands sponsering teams for the last 8 months but nothing ?
Is that not saying something ?
