LIV Golf

[doublebogey7]

Are you sure?

Go on enlighten me

 

[Dando]

They will if profile players jump ship to LIV.

Like OWGR having to revise their system to reflect the performances of LUV players, the ET would have to revise the Ryder Cup eligibility to keep it relevant. But like the majors, they havent had to cross that bridge yet, as LIV has no Euro golfer that would be a miss to the team. As long as that remains the case, they can hold that line. But revise it, or move the goal posts if you want to spin it a certain way, if say Rahm, Hovland, Rory defected. They cant really afford it collapsing to a Walker Cup type profile and revenue as a historical curio only. But it looks like the RC is safe, and the Saudis that were going to jump, have jumped, and those there are rather up a blind alley.

Why does every tour/tournament have
To change to satisfy LIV?

 

[Backsticks]

Why does every tour/tournament have
To change to satisfy LIV?

I wouldnt agree with you that they do. Most tours and tournaments are unaffected by LIV.

The PGAT reconfigured the financials to beat off the LIV attraction, but most/all pgat players would say thats a good thing for them and was due anyway. It is probably better off now, and seems to have armoured itself from any damage from LIV, whose players look increasingly isolated and irrelevant.

Smith is the one whose career seems to have been sunk, and it would have been nice to see how he developed, although there is often a tendency to overrate newbies to the major winners circle, as if the are going to roll on to multiple more. A side show will be interesting to see how his game keeps up in the majors, without other keen competition against his peers outside those 4, a bit like Bob Jones turning up for opens against the pros a hundred years ago.

The champions tour is probably the one hurting most - Harrington will have it easier there without Mickelson, for example. And LIV having failed to capture a critical mass of prime golfers, may continue hoovering the pre-champions category like Westy or McDowell. But thats just another minor tour, or exhibition circuit. It isnt really impinging upon the worlds best tournaments.

 

[BubbaP]

Phil the Thrill is stepping away from the game for a while

The below is an interesting read from Alan Shipnuck whose interview/biography chat with Mickelson derailed the Saudi Golf League

https://firepitcollective.com/askalan-mickelson-edition/

How time flies...

Phil rightly received a load of flak, but how many recall this quote:

"Because this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reshape how the PGA Tour operates."

First of the PGAT elevated events this week 'Tournament if Champions'. No Monday qualifying, field of 39, and no cut. Happy days to those invited ??
Bit like the Champions League, over a quarter of the field didn't win on tour in 2022 ??

Does feel right now that the momentum isn't with the LIV gang though, the DPWT decision may be key. I don't expect it to happen, but I would quite like an outcome which would lead to the likes of Dustin, Brooks, Pat, etc. regularly teeing it up on DPWT. If, as expected, it doesn't go that way, I could maybe expect some extra money being thrown at the Asian Tour.

Have at it bots from all sides ????

 

[Mel Smooth]

No surprise that Billy Foster and Fitz share the same mindset on this one.

Veteran caddie Billy Foster on "dead" DP World Tour: "It's on its arse!" | GolfMagic

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No surprise that Billy Foster and Fitz share the same mindset on this one.

Veteran caddie Billy Foster on "dead" DP World Tour: "It's on its arse!" | GolfMagic

Maybe the players need to look at themselves for the reason why - all the top Europeans left to play in the US.

I wonder if the players will ever realise they have half the reason the ET is what it is currently

Billy Foster can of course ask his Pro to play more in Europe if he wants ?‍

 

[Mel Smooth]

Maybe the players need to look at themselves for the reason why - all the top Europeans left to play in the US.

I wonder if the players will ever realise they have half the reason the ET is what it is currently

Billy Foster can of course ask his Pro to play more in Europe if he wants ?‍

I expect he'd rather him play on LIV, wouldn't you?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I expect he'd rather him play on LIV, wouldn't you?

Why would he rather play on the LIV tour ? ?‍

 

[Mel Smooth]

Why would he rather play on the LIV tour ? ?‍

Better terms.

If I was gonna pick a tour to earn a living as a caddy, I’d pick the LIV series. Foster has been there and done it all over the world with the best players in the world. Id imagine he’d quite enjoy a stint looping on LIV.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Better terms.

If I was gonna pick a tour to earn a living as a caddy, I’d pick the LIV series. Foster has been there and done it all over the world with the best players in the world. Id imagine he’d quite enjoy a stint looping on LIV.

Maybe he doesn’t need the money ?‍ and wants to be at majors and Ryder Cup

And after listening to Billy at a couple of events then I suspect the last place he would be is LIV

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Better terms.

If I was gonna pick a tour to earn a living as a caddy, I’d pick the LIV series. Foster has been there and done it all over the world with the best players in the world. Id imagine he’d quite enjoy a stint looping on LIV.

As he's still doing it with one of the best in the world he should have no reason to want to move.
It's the caddies of lessor players who should be more up for the move, if they get guaranteed income as a result.

 

[Mel Smooth]

As he's still doing it with one of the best in the world he should have no reason to want to move.
It's the caddies of lessor players who should be more up for the move, if they get guaranteed income as a result.

Some of the best players in the world also play on LIV, I suspect their caddies are pretty happy they are where they are. Unlike Phil, I don't personally know Billy Foster, and can't seem to find much on his views about LIV, other than he thinks the players should be allowed to compete in the Ryder Cup, which suggests to me, he's reasonably OK with it all.

 

[Backsticks]

Caddies are irrelevant in the LIV discussion. Its hauling a bag. Of course they would like to be wherever they are best paid. Its not that they win anything anyway. Their role is closer to the group scoreboard carrier as far as the sport goes.

 

[Slab]

^^^^^^^
Ouch!

 

[Mel Smooth]

^^^^^^^
Ouch!

I was once asked to carry a scoreboard at the Car Care Plan International at Moortown in the mid 80's, along with my mates. We'd never heard of the players in the groups that we would have been assigned to - but they could well have been pretty decent players of the day, so we declined. If only I'd known I was just a few short steps away from a potential career as a caddy working with some of the best players in the world - living the dream. Talking of dreams, Backsticks lives his life in one I reckon.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I was once asked to carry a scoreboard at the Car Care Plan International at Moortown in the mid 80's, along with my mates. We'd never heard of the players in the groups that we would have been assigned to - but they could well have been pretty decent players of the day, so we declined. If only I'd known I was just a few short steps away from a potential career as a caddy working with some of the best players in the world - living the dream. Talking of dreams, Backsticks lives his life in one I reckon.

Although Backsticks posts absolute rubbish on a daily basis, it can be that easy to become a caddy.
A lad from my place got a ET bag just because he was available one morning when attending an event. He kept it until getting into a fight with other caddies. His player was runner up in a major a few years later.
What could have been…

 

[BubbaP]

One hope for 2023 is a little less hyphrocisy from parts of the media, and a wind down on the 'mud slinging' from players and administrators.
Just crack on, play golf, and what will be, will be.

Had to wry smile at this one, which was just after he'd played 12 holes in 'the match'!

Competitive and not an exhibition apparently ?

Whilst there are several things to criticise around the liv events, one thing that was quite refreshing was not having the constant TW fawning that seems to attach to every PGAT outing (it might have been different on SkyS, but I generally was watching US feeds). Now it isn't TW's fault the obsession with him, well apart from being flippin' good in his prime!

Have a good evening all.

 

[evemccc]

Now it isn't TW's fault the obsession with him, well apart from being flippin' good in
his prime!

Which ended approx 15 years ago ?

‘Establishment golf’ and golf media revolves itself around Tiger and Rory…

Zzzzz

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Which ended approx 15 years ago ?

‘Establishment golf’ and golf media revolves itself around Tiger and Rory…

Zzzzz

Golf media talking about the best ever and best for the last decade. Who would have thought ??‍

Jack and Arnie get mentioned plenty of you watch enough golf. Shall we complain about them too?

 

[Swango1980]

Golf media talking about the best ever and best for the last decade. Who would have thought ??‍

Jack and Arnie get mentioned plenty of you watch enough golf. Shall we complain about them too?

This might be one of the good things about LIV. For fans who get tired of the attention golfing greats get, they can tune into LIV and watch has beens and unknowns knock a ball about. I'm guessing the LIV commentators don't talk about Tiger and Rory too much anyway?

There, LIV has actually captured a new audience after all