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So if Rory is still world numero uno by the time the Masters comes around, but he misses it due to injury or illness, I'm assuming the tournament is diminished; and the winner won't have won a real major?
No, it isnt diminished. As explained above.
Mel Smooth
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The majors next year won’t be diminished- but longer term they will if the best players coming through LIV can’t get access to them. Same applies to all the other tours given the new OWGR system, players just won’t stand out as much outside of the PGA tour.
Like Backsticks has commented though, the Majors are all about making money for their organisations, so the best players in the world will always get in, regardless of where they play.
Swango1980
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That clearly does not answer my question.
I asked which of the 20% of LIV players that made up the top 20 would not be present at Majors. You answered Sadom Kaewkanjana. When was he ever in the top 20!? Looking at the rankings site, at best I get him up at World Number 94 in his lifetime.
And, in respect to Sadom Kaewkanjana, I doubt the organisers and sponsors of each Major, in general, will lose too much sleep if he does not play.
Mel Smooth
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Kaewkanjana finished T11, well inside the top 20.
Because of his ranking, he’s unlikely to qualify for any majors next year.
I’ve answered every question you’ve asked. May I ask you to go back and read my posts so that you can understand them, rather than trying to facilitate some meaningless argument.
Thank you.
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doublebogey7
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Sorry if I have missed something here, but you appear to be suggesting that not having Kaewkanjana qualify for the majors next year, will diminish them. Seriously! he's hardly been pushing up trees in either the LiV events or the Asian Tour this year. As far as I am aware finishing in the top 20 at the open has never met the criteria for entry in the following majors.
Mel Smooth
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No I’m not, not at all.
I’m saying that LIV players made a significant contribution to the top end of the leaderboard at The Open, and the majors would be diminished if they weren’t playing - for whatever reason.
Swango asked which one of those players might not appear in a major this year, and I answered with Kaewkanjana.
There’s nothing more to it than that.
If you want to ‘spin’ it into something else, feel free.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
You've completely lost me, you say "that LIV players made a significant contribution to the top end of the leaderboard at The Open, and the majors would be diminished if they weren’t playing - for whatever reason", and you answer "Kaewkanjana" to the question which one of those players might not appear next year. Again I'll ask how will not having Kaewkanjana in the 2023 field diminish the open in any way. The truth is it would also have not diminished the field had he not qualified this tear either as we could have had no inkling that he would even make the cut.
Mel Smooth
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It’s BLINDINGLY obvious that I’m referring to a situation where all those players were absent - a hypothetical situation that will not happen, although only The Open so far have confirmed this.
For the absence of doubt, I’m pointing out that having the top players involved in majors is vital to not only their success, but their credibility.
If you still don’t get my point, let me know and I’ll block you. I’ve better things to do with my time than answer stupid questions.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Apologies than, as I interpreted your post as being the Top 20 in the world rankings at the last Major. Easy mistake to make, as the topic as largely been focused around World Rankings, and your post did not specifically highlight you meant the top 20 placings, rather than rankings, at the last Major.
However, I did answer your question that I don't think the guy would be well missed if he doesn't make the next one. What are the usual qualifying criteria for upcoming Majors anyway? Do top x placings in last Majors normally get qualification in upcoming ones?
doublebogey7
Head Pro
It's the referencing of Kaewkanjana that confused me, but I get your point now and to a degree, I agree with you. Though I feel Majors will only be diminished going forward if they change their criteria to disqualify LiV players or substantially more of the top 50 players move to LiV and currently I see no sign of either of those happening.
evemccc
Well-known member
This will never happen of course but I would like to see a situation where the two opens have many more qualifying spots - in fact, why not qualifying for everyone except past champions (maybe 10 year exemption)?
LIV, PGA Tour, DP World Tour, Jamega Tour, Club Pro, Scratch golfer — everyone would have an equal chance to perform over two or three rounds
Sponsors may not like this but it would have a couple of benefits IMO. It would be true to the ethos of the Open; it would make regional and final qualifying events incredibly exciting; it would increase the club / teaching pros likelihood of entry and it would be very fair. It would be all down to how a scratch golfer / elite tour pro performs over two or three rounds of golf —— and it lessens the importance of having millionaire backers and sponsors behind you in order to make it on tour, in order to get a decent ranking and gain automatic entry……and it would save a lot of trouble for the OWGR and save another 10000 pages of this thread ??
LIV, PGA Tour, DP World Tour, Jamega Tour, Club Pro, Scratch golfer — everyone would have an equal chance to perform over two or three rounds
Sponsors may not like this but it would have a couple of benefits IMO. It would be true to the ethos of the Open; it would make regional and final qualifying events incredibly exciting; it would increase the club / teaching pros likelihood of entry and it would be very fair. It would be all down to how a scratch golfer / elite tour pro performs over two or three rounds of golf —— and it lessens the importance of having millionaire backers and sponsors behind you in order to make it on tour, in order to get a decent ranking and gain automatic entry……and it would save a lot of trouble for the OWGR and save another 10000 pages of this thread ??
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doublebogey7
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The debate has been up to now has been about whether the Majors would be diminished by not having a handful of the top 50 playing in it, and you are proposing taking the risk that a very large number would not qualify, I'm not sure many will agree with you. Also it would not solve a problem for OWGR unless you propose unlimited numbers in the qualifying stages, which would certainly make it interesting though not in a good way in my view.
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Ah OK. But if LIV players are excluded because they've chosen to line their pockets due to greed then the majors are diminished?
Swango1980
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If the LIV players did play in the Majors, I'd imagine the Majors would feel diminished to those LIV players anyway. After all, they are playing for peanuts. I'm sure most of them won't get out of bed in the morning unless they've the chance to win over £3-4 million. And, if they did it for the love of the game, their caddies would not join them. Slavery was abolished some time ago.Ah OK. But if LIV players are excluded because they've chosen to line their pockets due to greed then the majors are diminished?
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If the LIV players did play in the Majors, I'd imagine the Majors would feel diminished to those LIV players anyway. After all, they are playing for peanuts. I'm sure most of them won't get out of bed in the morning unless they've the chance to win over £3-4 million. And, if they did it for the love of the game, their caddies would not join them. Slavery was abolished some time ago.
I’m surprised any of the LiV players and caddies want to play in other events given how poorly they have been treated in the past.
cleveland52
Active member
The majors will not be diminished if LIV player weren't there, they would be enhanced. LIV player will distract from the tournament.Ah OK. But if LIV players are excluded because they've chosen to line their pockets due to greed then the majors are diminished?
Just look at this thread.
You seriously talk some drivel ??
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Getting a bit silly
Majors are always enhanced with the best players in the game playing
All the top players on LIV will still be playing in the majors for a number of years yet
The only “distraction” will be if Greg Norman starts to act up and attempt to take the limelight away - hence why he was asked not to turn up at The Open
And that’s how it will continue - the focus should always be on the major , if anyone looks to use the major as a platform to continue any nonsense then the major body will react
