LIV Golf

[cleveland52]

Getting a bit silly

Majors are always enhanced with the best players in the game playing
bout OWGR points.....
All the top players on LIV will still be playing in the majors for a number of years yet

The only “distraction” will be if Greg Norman starts to act up and attempt to take the limelight away - hence why he was asked not to turn up at The Open

And that’s how it will continue - the focus should always be on the major , if anyone looks to use the major as a platform to continue any nonsense then the major body will react

Unless Ian Poulter shows up with his Liv gear on or Phil shows up trying to recruit players or LIV players playing the victim b***and moaning about their lack of OWGR points. Spot on about GN.

Nah, that will never happen, right !?!

 

[cleveland52]

You seriously talk some drivel ??

LOL!......OK

 

[BrianM]

LOL!......OK

I see you’ve deleted most of your reply….
Just because you don’t like something, you can still have a reasoned debate with constructive criticism, yes there’s flaws in LIV, but there is with the PGA and DPWT.
To not have players from LIV, I’m aware some are still eligible regardless, will devalue the Majors, Rory, Rahm, Scheffler will all want to beat the very best.

 

[cleveland52]

I see you’ve deleted most of your reply….
Just because you don’t like something, you can still have a reasoned debate with constructive criticism, yes there’s flaws in LIV, but there is with the PGA and DPWT.
To not have players from LIV, I’m aware some are still eligible regardless, will devalue the Majors, Rory, Rahm, Scheffler will all want to beat the very best.

'I'm sure you're right.....

 

[Slab]

Unless Ian Poulter shows up with his Liv gear on or Phil shows up trying to recruit players or LIV players playing the victim b***and moaning about their lack of OWGR points. Spot on about GN.

Nah, that will never happen, right !?!

I'm not pro or anti liv but since its OK for a player to turn up at The Open with a large print PGAT golf shirt and another who had MLB on his, then its clearly ok to have names of other leagues/tours on their clothing at a Major, so I'd have no issue with a player sporting LIV on theirs

 

[Backsticks]

I'm not pro or anti liv but since its OK for a player to turn up at The Open with a large print PGAT golf shirt and another who had MLB on his, then its clearly ok to have names of other leagues/tours on their clothing at a Major, so I'd have no issue with a player sporting LIV on theirs

Yes, thats perfectly OK. Golfers are advert sandwich board men anyway.
The Open is above all tours and neither professional nor amateur. Open to all. As long as you are one of the worlds hest golfers. US Open the same. The Master is even more so its own republic of independence and sits atop the mount Olympus of golf guarding the sacred flame of Bob Jones. The USPGA is a little different from the other three, and still has an affiliation to its offspring, the PGAT. But it knows what side its bread is buttered, and how it will have to play ball to not risk its most fragile nature of the four majors. Advertising another tour is fine 8n the majors.
Not so on the World Tour. I think DP does have a right to forbid competitor advertising in its events. Because it is commercial competition.

 

[AussieKB]

Yes, thats perfectly OK. Golfers are advert sandwich board men anyway.
The Open is above all tours and neither professional nor amateur. Open to all. As long as you are one of the worlds hest golfers. US Open the same. The Master is even more so its own republic of independence and sits atop the mount Olympus of golf guarding the sacred flame of Bob Jones. The USPGA is a little different from the other three, and still has an affiliation to its offspring, the PGAT. But it knows what side its bread is buttered, and how it will have to play ball to not risk its most fragile nature of the four majors. Advertising another tour is fine 8n the majors.
Not so on the World Tour. I think DP does have a right to forbid competitor advertising in its events. Because it is commercial competition.

How does the DP Tour ban a Titliest logo but allows a Ping logo or any other LIV PGA or MLB ?

 

[Backsticks]

How does the DP Tour ban a Titliest logo but allows a Ping logo or any other LIV PGA or MLB ?

Ban any advertising of LIV. It has control of its product. Ic can choose to do so, even if it cannot prevent LIV players from competing just at the moment.

 

[Swango1980]

I'm not pro or anti liv but since its OK for a player to turn up at The Open with a large print PGAT golf shirt and another who had MLB on his, then its clearly ok to have names of other leagues/tours on their clothing at a Major, so I'd have no issue with a player sporting LIV on theirs

I guess the difference is that many people see the LIV slogan as an F U PGA Tour message, or indeed F U All Other Tours. I appreciate LIV fans can see this, but others will.

The PGA Logo, I am sure, never was seen as an antagonising message, not even to European Tour fans when players were drifting across to PGA

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The DP Tour asked Liv players when playing in DP events not to wear emblems or LIV items - seems a fair request to ask players not to advertise a “rival” tour

The problem is Liv players are required to wear LIV attire when at events away from LIV

I believe just Poulter at DP events wore LIV emblems

 

[AussieKB]

So what happens when an event is sponsored by Taylor Made ? or similar......
I remember the USA at the Olympics were sponsored by Adidas and expected Michael Jordan to wear there logo.....
did not happen, at the Medal presentation he had the USA flag over his shoulder covering it, I thought it
was quite funny, not sure how Adidas took it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So what happens when an event is sponsored by Taylor Made ? or similar......
I remember the USA at the Olympics were sponsored by Adidas and expected Michael Jordan to wear there logo.....
did not happen, at the Medal presentation he had the USA flag over his shoulder covering it, I thought it
was quite funny, not sure how Adidas took it.

I don’t believe manufacturers sponser events but I’m not sure what the issue would be ?

 

[BubbaP]

Not sure which is the right thread for what any more!
Fitzpatrick receives more for 'clicks' than he did for winning the US Open ?

And three bonus rewards added.
Eddie having his say...strange times

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/criminal-in-this-day-and-age-pepperell-on-matsuyama-dollar2m-bonus

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Here's the reality of the situation:
1) The OWGR system was fine until LIV told us that it wasn't.
2) The PGAT was the greatest tour on earth until Phil M. told us that it wasn't.
3) 72 hole stroke play was the best way to play tournament golf until 8 months ago GN told us that the
Future of golf was 54 hole team play.

Now, the question is: Will the golfing public fall for that nonsense?
Players CHOSE to go to an exhibition tour that didn't have point and now want their cake and eat it to.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but the OWGR change has nothing to do with Liv.

The changes were passed before Liv even played its 1st event.

The players are saying it doesn't work because of the comparison of a DP World Tour event v a PGA Tour event.

 

[Backsticks]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but the OWGR change has nothing to do with Liv.

The changes were passed before Liv even played its 1st event.

The players are saying it doesn't work because of the comparison of a DP World Tour event v a PGA Tour event.

Not entirely true. Many players are saying it doesnt work because of the comparison of a Saudi event and a PGAT event.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Not entirely true. Many players are saying it doesnt work because of the comparison of a Saudi event and a PGAT event.

Whatever, the common theme here is it doesn't work whichever way you look at it
It survives on its reputation for showing an accurate representation of the worlds leading golfers which right now clearly a large part of the pro golfers world don't think it does.

Simply put, some no mark PGA Tour Event with literally no top players in it getting significantly more points than the DP Tour Championship with a strong field of top ranked golfers.

Also your no 5 golfer has 5 amazing consecutive results including 2 wins and his ranking doesn't move yet the no 3 golfer above him hasnt picked up a point for 4 months and also hasn't moved.

This all seems pretty obvious stuff that is not working under its current guidelines.
If it loses its air of credability its finished because players will get to no1 and it won't mean anything

Seems clear they need to address the PGA Tour bias and give the other tours more points nearer to what they got before.
For example an Asian tour event win for one of their bigger events used to get 16pts for the win, it now gets 4pts.

Also need to solve the Liv problem as too many top players are on that tour that will discredit their rankings if their not earning points in some way.

 

[Swango1980]

Should we start a separate thread about the World Ranking system? The LIV issue regarding world rankings has simply become a side show, now that we are questioning the system in its entirety. It becomes completely pointless trying to discuss how it fits in with LIV, if we think the system is flawed anyway. Even if LIV players were given points, the conversation would simply shift to them not getting enough or too much in a flawed system.

 

[Bdill93]

Should we start a separate thread about the World Ranking system? The LIV issue regarding world rankings has simply become a side show, now that we are questioning the system in its entirety. It becomes completely pointless trying to discuss how it fits in with LIV, if we think the system is flawed anyway. Even if LIV players were given points, the conversation would simply shift to them not getting enough or too much in a flawed system.

If OWGR discussion is removed from this thread what will the anti-LIV guys actually have to talk about?

 

[AussieKB]

We have the OZ PGA Championship on at the moment, Cam Smith playing with Adam Scott and no fisticuffs.....teed off early and they were welcomed with a large crowd for our standards.

It was great, said Scott.

Think most of us out here would love to see them in the last group on Sunday, hopefully Cam can manage 4 days.

 

[AussieKB]

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