LIV Golf

[BubbaP]

As owgr opinion seems to be still rumbling on.

Probably nothing new fact wise here, but some interesting opinions ..
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/11/18/eamon-lynch-owgr-dp-world-tour-jon-rahm/

Maybe Davis has a point.. golf used to manage..
https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/just-get-rid-of-them-davis-love-iii-wades-into-owgr-debate

 

[sweaty sock]

At risk of agreeing with Davis Love, do the rankings actually really mean anything any more, not many events use them. Fedex and rolex points are talked about much more and excepting liv, there are a million other ways to get into most majors.... shock horror Augusta needs them...

 

[Imurg]

At risk of agreeing with Davis Love, do the rankings actually really mean anything any more, not many events use them. Fedex and rolex points are talked about much more and excepting liv, there are a million other ways to get into most majors.... shock horror Augusta needs them...

I'm not sure Augusta does need them really..
It's invitational bar previous winners and it's easy enough for them to keep an eye on the Tour rankings to get the right people there..

 

[r0wly86]

I'm not sure Augusta does need them really..
It's invitational bar previous winners and it's easy enough for them to keep an eye on the Tour rankings to get the right people there..

Is it invitational? I know they send invites, but there are published qualification criteria like all the other majors

 

[Imurg]

Is it invitational? I know they send invites, but there are published qualification criteria like all the other majors

It's been said before that if you do something that the Masters Committee really doesn't like they can not invite you...
I don't think it's ever happened though..
You qualify to be invited.....

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Davis Love III on OWGR

"We could just get rid of it.
It wasn't dreamed up by Jones & Sarazen, there is no history to OWGR because it was created by IMG on the back of a napkin as a way to promote its players.
There are many ways qualification for majors can be created to get all the worlds best players there without OWGR."

Thoughts?

 

[Bdill93]

Davis Love III on OWGR

"We could just get rid of it.
It wasn't dreamed up by Jones & Sarazen, there is no history to OWGR because it was created by IMG on the back of a napkin as a way to promote its players.
There are many ways qualification for majors can be created to get all the worlds best players there without OWGR."

Thoughts?

My thoughts are - a lot of guys are saying it but none of them are producing the solution themselves.

Someone needs to address it - mainly the Majors - but they dont need to hurry. The biggest names are already exempt for another couple of years (and a few indefinitely at The Masters)

 

[doublebogey7]

That’s not the scenario we’re looking at, players who don’t play on the PGA tour won’t rank high enough to qualify for majors - it’s no longer just about LIV players feeling aggrieved.

In non of the Majors is qualifying limited purely to OWGR you know. The current changes to the ranking system were agreed upon before LiV came along to make the system more equitable, but there do seem to be flaws which I am sure will get ironed out over time.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

In non of the Majors is qualifying limited purely to OWGR you know. The current changes to the ranking system were agreed upon before LiV came along to make the system more equitable, but there do seem to be flaws which I am sure will get ironed out over time.

Keith Pelley when interviewed yesterday hinted as much.

 

[BubbaP]

Is it invitational? I know they send invites, but there are published qualification criteria like all the other majors

Criteria based invitational....
https://www.augusta.com/masters/qualifications

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That’s not the scenario we’re looking at, players who don’t play on the PGA tour won’t rank high enough to qualify for majors - it’s no longer just about LIV players feeling aggrieved.

There are more ways than just the OWGR to qualify for a major

 

[Mel Smooth]

There are more ways than just the OWGR to qualify for a major

Post #8945 matey ;-)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Post #8945 matey ;-)

?‍ sorry not sure what that post has to do with what I posted or entry into majors

 

[Mel Smooth]

?‍ sorry not sure what that post has to do with what I posted or entry into majors

Well in that post I commented on some of the other qualification methods, so clearly, I'm aware it's not just via OWGR

 

[Deleted member 21445]

So Jon Rahm goes 2nd, 1st, 4th, 1st and Cam Smith hasn't been able to score a point for months......
Yet Cam Smith is still ranked 3 and J.R is still ranked 5th..

No wonder people are losing faith in OWGR and Rahm thinks its laughable.

 

[Swango1980]

So Jon Rahm goes 2nd, 1st, 4th, 1st and Cam Smith hasn't been able to score a point for months......
Yet Cam Smith is still ranked 3 and J.R is still ranked 5th..

No wonder people are losing faith in OWGR and Rahm thinks its laughable.

Don't the rankings still look back over a long period of time, rather than updating purely on each event, like a football league table?

That would seem pretty important in golf, as players don't play every event. It would look sillier if a golfer fell down the ranks simply because they were taking their winter break.

Cameron Smith has obviously had a great year or 2. He played up until the FedEx, and we are now in the quieter period of the season. So, not that surprising he has not plummeted in the rankings

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So Jon Rahm goes 2nd, 1st, 4th, 1st and Cam Smith hasn't been able to score a point for months......
Yet Cam Smith is still ranked 3 and J.R is still ranked 5th..

No wonder people are losing faith in OWGR and Rahm thinks its laughable.

They have made some changes this year which were supposed to have made things better but if the players on the main tours think there is an issue then I suspect they will look to do something to adjust it

 

[cleveland52]

Davis Love III on OWGR

"We could just get rid of it.
It wasn't dreamed up by Jones & Sarazen, there is no history to OWGR because it was created by IMG on the back of a napkin as a way to promote its players.
There are many ways qualification for majors can be created to get all the worlds best players there without OWGR."

Thoughts?

Here's the reality of the situation:
1) The OWGR system was fine until LIV told us that it wasn't.
2) The PGAT was the greatest tour on earth until Phil M. told us that it wasn't.
3) 72 hole stroke play was the best way to play tournament golf until 8 months ago GN told us that the
Future of golf was 54 hole team play.

Now, the question is: Will the golfing public fall for that nonsense?
Players CHOSE to go to an exhibition tour that didn't have point and now want their cake and eat it to.

 

[Bdill93]

Here's the reality of the situation:
1) The OWGR system was fine until LIV told us that it wasn't.
2) The PGAT was the greatest tour on earth until Phil M. told us that it wasn't.
3) 72 hole stroke play was the best way to play tournament golf until 8 months ago GN told us that the
Future of golf was 54 hole team play.

Now, the question is: Will the golfing public fall for that nonsense?
Players CHOSE to go to an exhibition tour that didn't have point and now want their cake and eat it to.

It’s not just the players, as a fan I want these guys in the majors.

Even Rory and Rahm probably want them in the majors.

I don’t care where they play golf week to week, I just care that the majors have the best fields in golf to provide the highest level of entertainment as possible and that is now only achieved with the top LIV guys included.

 

[cleveland52]

It’s not just the players, as a fan I want these guys in the majors.

Even Rory and Rahm probably want them in the majors.

I don’t care where they play golf week to week, I just care that the majors have the best fields in golf to provide the highest level of entertainment as possible and that is now only achieved with the top LIV guys included.

A true golf fan never worries about who's not there. You can only play who's in front of you. The reason being is that players miss tournaments for all kind of reason......like DJ falling down a flight of stairs, Tiger getting knee surgery, etc.....If the players don't qualify, the tournaments go on and the ones that get misty eyed because a player is missing need to check their emotions.

For the record Rory and Rahn think LIV players should play if they meet the criteria. LIV fans seem to conveniently leave off the last part.