evemccc
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“What was it that first attracted you to Millionaire Paul Daniels?”
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“What was it that first attracted you to Millionaire Paul Daniels?”
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Know it was a bit ago (so much going on), and likely contains an amount of "bluster", believe this is outlined as the attempt to tick the qualifying box in future....
https://www.si.com/golf/.amp/news/liv-golfs-future-plans-include-relegation-qualifying-tournament
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
I'm not sure how qualifying for LIV would actually work with the model they've created. If someone qualifies would they then have to negotiate their contract? For example Mickelson getting paid £XX million, if Rory qualified could he then say I want £XX million x 2? What if LIV said "No, you're only going to get half of what Mickelson gets and Rory turns it down? Is it a true qualifying competition if there are conditions such as appearance fees to be negotiated? The guaranteed income aspect seems incompatible with having open qualifying for the tour, unless they change their business model to put more emphasis on prize money for finishing position rather than for turning up.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Acknowledge none of us likely really know, but I viewed the "signing payments" as a way of de-risking the players from likely fall outs - bans, sponsors dropping, etc., taking the gamble, and gaining enough commitment to move the thing off the ground in the first place.
Didn't really expect them to continue with them longer term.
Think many would say there is already an (obscene?) emphasis on prize money for finishing positions!
INDIVIDUAL
Win: $4,000,000
2: $2,125,000
3: $1,500,000
4: $1,050,000
5: $975,000
larmen
Head Pro
There was a pro who share don twitter how he 'applied' for liv, and they came back telling him to have some success on another tour and if he proves himself they might contact him.
Not sure if it was real or not as I didn't recognise the name at all.
I think Saudi seriously harmed any reputation for being credible top flight golf by their purchase of Mickelson. Paying the big oil bucks, and locking in a player in the field who in nobody's reckoning could be considered a top golfer anymore, and one fading fast, just showed that is was golf as exhibition, or legends revisited, rather than real golf. It is probably their biggest misjudgement and betrayed the celebs rather than top golfers approach.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Agree on likely form and being eligible for champions tour. In the USA though he is/was very popular ..
https://morningconsult.com/2021/09/23/pga-tour-golfers-popularity-poll/
Suspect they'll be trying to ease him into a non playing captain role in the next couple of years ?
Imagine the likes of Chacarra & Puig may influence if it disappears or hangs around for more than a few years
https://www.google.com/amp/s/golf.com/news/liv-golf-courted-top-amateur-david-puig/
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Mel Smooth
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Showing the OWGR ranking of the players on the graphics today. Is that new, can’t say I’ve seen it before?
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Nah, have been doing it from the start. Thought it was an odd decision TBH.
Although maybe it gives the option to remove them with a flounce later ?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
If LIV don't start getting OWGR points and the players start falling down the rankings I can't see them keeping the rankings visible for very long. Would be quite embarrassing if their top ranked players were 670th and 850th in the rankings. Having said that, they might keep it just to highlight how flawed the OWGR rankings are if Smith, BDC and Johnson are outside the top 500.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Yep agree. It's interesting the different approaches, you'll likely be aware of the players popping up on the DPWT and some extent Asian tour in a quest for points. Then others just not at all so far.
So far the big drop hasn't really happened, think in part due to the divisor which is limited between 40 & 52. Although not picking up points, the divisor was reducing. The other is the owgr changing the calcs in August, so some recent 'big events' like the FedEx weren't offering as many points as 2 years ago.
But some players are dropping counting events below 40 now so the fall may speed up ..
Johnson 35
Koepka 37
DeChambeau 33
Oosthuziun 34
Casey 36
At the other end there are new pros who just won't play in counting events so their rankings won't improve.
I'm pretty surprised no-one has tried to knock up some alternative rankings yet based on existing formulas as a discussion point.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
#BreakingNews
Mickelson broke par !
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Mickelson broke par !
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Keep up the progress, and he could get to Champions tour standard maybe, but the way Harrington is playing, Phil would still find it tough going there.
Mel Smooth
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Not sure why some people want to portray Mickelsons career as failing, he's still a quality golfer - 2 under yesterday on a course that is clearly set up to be difficult - these guys aren't out there having a cakewalk.
His primary roll within LIV though, will be to act as a statesman/figurehead for the series. Pretty sure once the talent pool exetends then he'll take on the roll of managing a team, and dealing with operational side of building the brand.
He's correct here too, as much as the noise coming from the some of PGA boys (Rory) is unwavering, you cannot deny that the PGA Tour will never have all the best players in the world on their tour.
His primary roll within LIV though, will be to act as a statesman/figurehead for the series. Pretty sure once the talent pool exetends then he'll take on the roll of managing a team, and dealing with operational side of building the brand.
He's correct here too, as much as the noise coming from the some of PGA boys (Rory) is unwavering, you cannot deny that the PGA Tour will never have all the best players in the world on their tour.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Can see Harrington dominating on there for a while
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If Liv get OWGR points so players can go for the money and earn their place in the majors the floodgates will truely open and the PGAT knows it..
Liv can easily go to 72 holes with a 48 player cut and shotgun at the weekend to accomadate more players..
I see the above scenario resulting in talks starting to see the tours coexist which will be best for the game of golf overall rather than where we are now.
Liv can easily go to 72 holes with a 48 player cut and shotgun at the weekend to accomadate more players..
I see the above scenario resulting in talks starting to see the tours coexist which will be best for the game of golf overall rather than where we are now.
One doesnt need OWGR points to get into a major. The majors control who gets into their major. PGAT has no jurisdiction over the majors.
Phil has won 3 tournaments in the last 10 years. One round of -2 means absolutely nothing in terms of his ranking as a golfer.
A fantastic golfer. One of the most talented ever. He shot himself in the foot several times in majors, and hit peak Tiger, and overall for me ranks more like a 9 or 10 major winner. He is an all time great. His win at the USPGA was amazing and so well deserved. As was getting to 6 majors.
But for all that, he is well spent as a top competitive force now. He wouldnt be in the best 200 golfers on the world now.
If his Saudi role is as a figurehead, then fine, but that enforces LiV as showbiz celebrity golf, not real golf. Thats why his involvement has harmed LIVs credibility not helped their case as a real tour.
A fantastic golfer. One of the most talented ever. He shot himself in the foot several times in majors, and hit peak Tiger, and overall for me ranks more like a 9 or 10 major winner. He is an all time great. His win at the USPGA was amazing and so well deserved. As was getting to 6 majors.
But for all that, he is well spent as a top competitive force now. He wouldnt be in the best 200 golfers on the world now.
If his Saudi role is as a figurehead, then fine, but that enforces LiV as showbiz celebrity golf, not real golf. Thats why his involvement has harmed LIVs credibility not helped their case as a real tour.
Mel Smooth
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All proffesional golf is show business, why do you think Rory and Tiger have come up with some mad plan to play indoor golf tournaments - it'll be like watching Bullseye with Jim Bowen and comparing that to the PDC.
The head bloke at the PGA flies his wife round the country on the PGA jet, does it get any more show businees than that?
Take Phil's golfing current golfing credibilities out of the argument, and he's been a great addition to the game.
