LIV Golf

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s not a surprise that Trump would offer up Turnberry as an event , it certainly won’t host The Open anytime soon . Wonder what time of the year they would look at

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Trump wants a 2023 Liv UK tournament at Turnberry.

Thoughts?

1. Course of that stature adds gravitas?

2. Doesn't do anything to help its cause of getting back on the Open rota?

1. Yes

2. It isn't getting the Open whilst Trump owns it so there is nothing to lose. If anything I think it's a smart move for Turnberry, it puts it back in the mind of golfers around the world who are not seeing it on the rota and so is drifting from the memory.

 

[Slab]

I think the Champions Tour is governed by the PGA Tour.

I think so too... But have players received a lifetime ban from the pgat ?
If not what's to stop them playing the senior tour when they no longer play the liv?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think so too... But have players received a lifetime ban from the pgat ?
If not what's to stop them playing the senior tour when they no longer play the liv?

They has bern no “bans” yet , just suspensions and mainly players relinquishing their tour membership

 

[Slab]

They has bern no “bans” yet , just suspensions and mainly players relinquishing their tour membership

So post their liv 'career' there's no known issue playing korn ferry or senior tour or even returning to the pgat if they can qualify
If that is actually the case then they'd be mugs not to cash in on liv for 3 or 4 years

 

[Hoganman1]

So post their liv 'career' there's no known issue playing korn ferry or senior tour or even returning to the pgat if they can qualify
If that is actually the case then they'd be mugs not to cash in on liv for 3 or 4 years

I think all this is still to be decided. We don't know how the PGA Tour will react if a player decides to return or how the four majors are going to deal with LIV members as yet. As a golf fan I hate this is happening. We're deeply divided politically here across the pond. Golf had a unifying effect until this happened. Now you're either pro-LIV or pro-PGA Tour. To quote the late Rodney King "can't we just all get along?"

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So post their liv 'career' there's no known issue playing korn ferry or senior tour or even returning to the pgat if they can qualify
If that is actually the case then they'd be mugs not to cash in on liv for 3 or 4 years

Think this has some way to go yet , every chance that bans could come in when it’s all sorted

 

[RRidges]

I think all this is still to be decided. We don't know how the PGA Tour will react if a player decides to return or how the four majors are going to deal with LIV members as yet. As a golf fan I hate this is happening. We're deeply divided politically here across the pond. Golf had a unifying effect until this happened. Now you're either pro-LIV or pro-PGA Tour. To quote the late Rodney King "can't we just all get along?"

Majors are independent and have their own eligibility criteria, much of it based on OWGR rankings. So maintaining access to that has to be one of LIV's targets.

 

[Ethan]

I think all this is still to be decided. We don't know how the PGA Tour will react if a player decides to return or how the four majors are going to deal with LIV members as yet. As a golf fan I hate this is happening. We're deeply divided politically here across the pond. Golf had a unifying effect until this happened. Now you're either pro-LIV or pro-PGA Tour. To quote the late Rodney King "can't we just all get along?"

Perhaps, if that is peoples' objective, but there is a prevailing view that Greg Norman wants victory over the PGA Tour to exorcise some long standing resentments.

 

[doublebogey7]

So post their liv 'career' there's no known issue playing korn ferry or senior tour or even returning to the pgat if they can qualify
If that is actually the case then they'd be mugs not to cash in on liv for 3 or 4 years

Except if they have not earned World Ranking Ponts, they will not qualify to play on those tours in 3 or 4 years time.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Perhaps, if that is peoples' objective, but there is a prevailing view that Greg Norman wants victory over the PGA Tour to exorcise some long standing resentments.

Yet he reached out to them long before a ball was struck at Centurion, and they ignored him. They’ve gone down the path of confrontation rather than co-operation. We can argue until the cows come home about whether that was the right decision, but there are an increasing number of people now calling for some sort of dialogue to resolve the perceived ‘split’ in golf.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Thanks. A journalist trying to consider the matter objectively, ends up undecided.

He's fortunate that he ended up undecided rather than against LIV. If you're a journalist and you don't want your body parts to end up in several different carrier bags it's a good idea not to upset or annoy the Saudi regime.

 

[Ethan]

Yet he reached out to them long before a ball was struck at Centurion, and they ignored him. They’ve gone down the path of confrontation rather than co-operation. We can argue until the cows come home about whether that was the right decision, but there are an increasing number of people now calling for some sort of dialogue to resolve the perceived ‘split’ in golf.

Norman has made quite a few rather childish and petulant comments. I don’t think many believe he has golf’s best interests at heart, just Greg’s.

As for coming together, the massive purses at LIV events is untenable in the PGA Tour model, which also needs proportionate purses for Korn Ferry etc, and is even more out of whack with the DPWT. LIV would need to drastically reduce purses if these Tours ever want to merge.

Personally I prefer the outcome where the LIV Tour loses in court, the OWGR do not recognise their events and some of the big names regret their move and want to come back. Leave it as a waiting room for players heading towards Champions Tour.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Norman has made quite a few rather childish and petulant comments. I don’t think many believe he has golf’s best interests at heart, just Greg’s.

As for coming together, the massive purses at LIV events is untenable in the PGA Tour model, which also needs proportionate purses for Korn Ferry etc, and is even more out of whack with the DPWT. LIV would need to drastically reduce purses if these Tours ever want to merge.

Personally I prefer the outcome where the LIV Tour loses in court, the OWGR do not recognise their events and some of the big names regret their move and want to come back. Leave it as a waiting room for players heading towards Champions Tour.

The tours will never merge - it wouldn't be in anybodies interest - although it would be funny watching everybody suddenly change their tune about "blood money", if it was being fed into the PGA coffers.

LIV is here to stay, whether you like it or not - if anything the reaction from the tours will only strengthen GN's resolve to make it work, and you will see expansion of the LIV operations over the next year or so.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

The tours will never merge - it wouldn't be in anybodies interest - although it would be funny watching everybody suddenly change their tune about "blood money", if it was being fed into the PGA coffers.

LIV is here to stay, whether you like it or not - if anything the reaction from the tours will only strengthen GN's resolve to make it work, and you will see expansion of the LIV operations over the next year or so.

But Mel
They said the same thing about the Roman Empire, nothing is permanent.

LIV will stay until such time as it becomes financially viable or until the funding runs out and it falls flat on its backside.

It’s going to be a race to see which happens first

 

[Ethan]

The tours will never merge - it wouldn't be in anybodies interest - although it would be funny watching everybody suddenly change their tune about "blood money", if it was being fed into the PGA coffers.

LIV is here to stay, whether you like it or not - if anything the reaction from the tours will only strengthen GN's resolve to make it work, and you will see expansion of the LIV operations over the next year or so.

It may be here to stay but it is not a foregone conclusion that it becomes competitive with the PGA Tour or that the feeding frenzy from players continues. The PGA Tour got a legal workout of their structure during Norman’s previous attack and I suspect they have a strong legal position. No legal obligation on OWGR to recognise either. LIV can set up their own ranking and try to persuade major events to recognise it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yet he reached out to them long before a ball was struck at Centurion, and they ignored him. They’ve gone down the path of confrontation rather than co-operation. We can argue until the cows come home about whether that was the right decision, but there are an increasing number of people now calling for some sort of dialogue to resolve the perceived ‘split’ in golf.

How did he “reach out” ?

What was the conversation about - what did he want the PGA tour to do ?

Was it along the lines of “we are going to offer a number of players hundreds of millions to play on a new tour” please don’t stand in their way

What is it Greg Norman wanted from the PGA tour ?

 

[Mel Smooth]

How did he “reach out” ?

What was the conversation about - what did he want the PGA tour to do ?

Was it along the lines of “we are going to offer a number of players hundreds of millions to play on a new tour” please don’t stand in their way

What is it Greg Norman wanted from the PGA tour ?

I don't know, but I'd imagine it was to find a way for the tours and LIV to work alongside each other - why else would he try to approach them? That has been his position all along (although it may well have changed now given the reaction from the tours).

The thing is, if you want to negotiate a deal, you have to sit at the table, and Monahon wasn't interested. Fine, that's his call for his organisation, but at this moment in time, I can't see how any of his actions have strengthened the PGA, tours position, other than the deal to strip all the best players away from the DPWT, but that's another debate.

 

[Mel Smooth]

It may be here to stay but it is not a foregone conclusion that it becomes competitive with the PGA Tour or that the feeding frenzy from players continues. The PGA Tour got a legal workout of their structure during Norman’s previous attack and I suspect they have a strong legal position. No legal obligation on OWGR to recognise either. LIV can set up their own ranking and try to persuade major events to recognise it.

As LIV grows, and it will, Norman is a shrewd businessman, and as the players on the series commercial value inreases (not all of them obviously), then why would the majors not want those players at their events? Why would the USGA etc, not want the stars of LIV competing alongside and against the stars of the PGA tour - it actually adds to the interest - this thread and this forum is proof - even though most of you that comment are anti-LIV, you can't help but get involved in the debate. That interest directly translates into money from the event sponsors point of view, and money is what everybody wants so they can put on the best show possible.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't know, but I'd imagine it was to find a way for the tours and LIV to work alongside each other - why else would he try to approach them? That has been his position all along (although it may well have changed now given the reaction from the tours).

The thing is, if you want to negotiate a deal, you have to sit at the table, and Monahon wasn't interested. Fine, that's his call for his organisation, but at this moment in time, I can't see how any of his actions have strengthened the PGA, tours position, other than the deal to strip all the best players away from the DPWT, but that's another debate.

How can they work together when the models of both tours are so far apart ?‍

When one tour is trying to take away the best players and put on events at the same time as the other tours events -

GN was creating a rival tour and using a bottomless pit of money.

And the PGA tour wouldn’t be looking to “strengthen” - they would be looking to look after their own tour - and right now they have the ranking points , Ryder cup and majors in their corner - they also have the best players in the world bar the odd player. They are stronger