LIV Golf

[BrianM]

Because it’s patronising and treating us like idiots. Everyone knows they’re being paid a boatload of money to defect, we already know that the ‘spend more time with family’ is BS because they only have to play 15 PGAT comps a year, we know they’re not going for the string field because it’s a much weaker field. So just tell the truth. People would have much more respect for that.

The reason they don’t is because of where the money is coming from, so they’re cowards as well as money grabbers.

As for the last point, I’ve left jobs for money and given that as the reason for leaving, and I’ve accepted resignations from people for the same reason. I’m pretty sure most people would say it’s for more money if it was, partly to stick it up them if nothing else!

Maybe in your line of work, but certainly not in mine!!
It’s completely unprofessional in my opinion.

 

[RRidges]

Maybe in your line of work, but certainly not in mine!!
It’s completely unprofessional in my opinion.

Apologies for the bluntness, But, given that you provide sufficient notice, or the opportunity to match a hard offer, staying somewhere that undervalues your worth makes you a mug imo.
Unless there are other considerations/benefits involved.
Why would you not consider moving to a company, doing the same work for more, and guaranteed, money in half the time than your existing place is offering?

 

[BubbaP]

Stumbled across this. Naturally very PR heavy, I think is from about a year ago so pre liv (going public), but covers the golf tourism aims mentioned previously (just how big is the golf tourism market?). Looks like at least 7 years to go.... ?

https://andaluciagolf.com/en/news/i...r-ceo-of-saudi-golf-federation-and-golf-saudi

 

[BrianM]

Apologies for the bluntness, But, given that you provide sufficient notice, or the opportunity to match a hard offer, staying somewhere that undervalues your worth makes you a mug imo.
Unless there are other considerations/benefits involved.
Why would you not consider moving to a company, doing the same work for more, and guaranteed, money in half the time than your existing place is offering?

I agree completely, my point was the terminology used by the players leaving is correct, you don’t just come out and say I’m leaving for the money.

 

[BubbaP]

You need to realise that the entire concept is NOT to grow the game, but to bring down the PGA Tour!

Bring down can have a few interpretations, what were you meaning?
Whilst the plan seems to be only 48 players, and I've not seen anything (yet) contrary, then personally I feel the PGA Tour is still in a strong position. More young & competitive players will potentially gain opportunities from the Korn Ferry & DP World feeders. As others have said, can see GN taking some pleasure in trying to devalue the PGA Tour a little, but as Monahan said they need the other tours.
Probably they'll be a report out at some point, golf generally has heavily been in the media of late - in some weird way maybe the attention benefits them also

 

[Barking_Mad]

I can’t believe the angle people are wanting them to say they are moving for more money, business decision is the correct terminology, surely no one thinks otherwise ?
I’d never say to my employer I’m moving companies because I’m getting 20k a year more, you’d say it’s a business decision……

Why do you care what your ex boss thinks?

People taking tens or hundreds of millions yet hiding behind the width of a single dollar note is hilarious.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Is it not a fair statement to say that there has been a lot of disrespect within the discussion?

I agree. Supporting LIV when its financial benefactor beats, murders and stones homosexuals and women is very disrespectful.

 

[BrianM]

Why do you care what your ex boss thinks?

I don’t care, but like to remain professional throughout, it’s done me well this far ?

People taking tens or hundreds of millions yet hiding behind the width of a single dollar note is hilarious.

What’s hilarious about it?

 

[howbow88]

Maybe in your line of work, but certainly not in mine!!
It’s completely unprofessional in my opinion.

What?! Incredible stuff, even by this thread's standards.

 

[BrianM]

What?! Incredible stuff, even by this thread's standards.

I think you’ve missed half the conversations ??

 

[howbow88]

Stumbled across this. Naturally very PR heavy, I think is from about a year ago so pre liv (going public), but covers the golf tourism aims mentioned previously (just how big is the golf tourism market?). Looks like at least 7 years to go.... ?

https://andaluciagolf.com/en/news/i...r-ceo-of-saudi-golf-federation-and-golf-saudi

'We want to bring golf to Saudi citizens' Surely nobody in the entire world is gullible enough to believe this complete trash?

 

[BrianM]

'We want to bring golf to Saudi citizens' Surely nobody in the entire world is gullible enough to believe this complete trash?

What’s your experience of Saudi Arabia to say that?

 

[Mel Smooth]

'We want to bring golf to Saudi citizens' Surely nobody in the entire world is gullible enough to believe this complete trash?

Well Jack Nicklaus is.

Are people completely dismissing the notion that the Saudis, are trying to build an economy for the country post oil?

 

[howbow88]

What’s your experience of Saudi Arabia to say that?

Valid point that. I've never met the King of Saudi Arabia, so how could I possibly say his country's mouthpiece is spouting nonsense.

Well Jack Nicklaus is.

Are people completely dismissing the notion that the Saudis, are trying to build an economy for the country post oil?

Jack Nicklaus also backs a fairly disgusting human being that used to be the President. I can respect his golf career, but I'm not so sure on his political opinions.

Yes, they are definitely trying to build an economy for after oil. I've posted this about 5 or 6 times in this thread. That doesn't stop the country being a fairly awful place to live if you happen to be the 'wrong' sort of person in the eyes of the rulers.

They are not interested in 'growing the game' or 'bringing golf to every Saudi citizen.'

 

[timd77]

Maybe in your line of work, but certainly not in mine!!
It’s completely unprofessional in my opinion.

You say unprofessional, I say being truthful.

 

[Barking_Mad]

What’s hilarious about it?

It's like dancing round a fire and pretending it's not the reason you're warm.

 

[Backsticks]

'We want to bring golf to Saudi citizens'

And they couldnt think of a better way to bring golf to Saudi than giving hundreds of millions to Phil and DJ !
No. Nor can I. Giving it to multimillionaire Americans is the best way to get the average Saudi out for a round. No question.

 

[theoneandonly]

I guess it takes away from the billions they spend on arms from us and who knows what they do with those.

 

[Marshy77]

You need to realise that the entire concept is NOT to grow the game, but to bring down the PGA Tour!

I do realise that. I also realise the reason the players go to LIV isn't to grow the game or to have more time off.

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Still groundhog day in here.....

So it continues....