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[Deleted member 15344]

So it continues....

yes you do indeed continue to add nothing but to complain about what others are posting ? if the thread is that offensive to you why bother reading it or indeed posting in it ?‍

 

[RRidges]

I agree completely, my point was the terminology used by the players leaving is correct, you don’t just come out and say I’m leaving for the money.

Why not? If that's the reason, then it would be bordering on dishonesty to describe it as anything else!
I've certainly stated that as the reason I've moved on where it's been the case!

 

[Deleted member 3432]

yes you do indeed continue to add nothing but to complain about what others are posting ? if the thread is that offensive to you why bother reading it or indeed posting in it ?‍

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[Deleted member 15344]

I agree completely, my point was the terminology used by the players leaving is correct, you don’t just come out and say I’m leaving for the money.

If that’s the reason why wouldn’t you just say it

It seems simple enough -

“I’m going to the LIV tour because I’m being offered a guaranteed £xmils and have the opportunity to earn more money in a handful of events than I have done in my career to date”

 

[PhilTheFragger]

yes you do indeed continue to add nothing but to complain about what others are posting ? if the thread is that offensive to you why bother reading it or indeed posting in it ?‍

Oi it’s not your place to tell anyone what they can and can’t post.

Got a problem with a members posts? Then report it and let the Mods deal with it ?

 

[RRidges]

Bring down can have a few interpretations, what were you meaning?
Whilst the plan seems to be only 48 players, and I've not seen anything (yet) contrary, then personally I feel the PGA Tour is still in a strong position. More young & competitive players will potentially gain opportunities from the Korn Ferry & DP World feeders. As others have said, can see GN taking some pleasure in trying to devalue the PGA Tour a little, but as Monahan said they need the other tours.
Probably they'll be a report out at some point, golf generally has heavily been in the media of late - in some weird way maybe the attention benefits them also

I can't read GN's mind so I have little idea. But it's a grudge he's had for something like 35 years, since his previous, failed, attempt to implement the circus failed. And there's likely funding provided for 3 or more years, so it's likely here to stay for some time.
To me, getting OWGR points is key to its survival and 'buying' the Asian Tour was a smart move even though it negates/shows the hypocrisy one of the major excuses for participation.

 

[Backsticks]

Probably doesn't meet the brief but ....

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/why-i-cant-decide-whether-liv-golf-is-good-or-bad-for-the-game

Thanks. A journalist trying to consider the matter objectively, ends up undecided. If there really were a case to be made, there would surely be some disinterested parties on the record supporting it. I haven't come across any. If there aren't at least some, it does suggest that it has nothing to recommend it.
If the only significant voices making the case for it are those pocketing the cash, it is very damning.

 

[4LEX]

I think the Saudi's would do well to bin off Greg Norman. He's in it for himself and to cause as much carnage as he can. He's damaging the image and brand.

 

[Backsticks]

But so are they. That's why it is a good fit. As per my comment that there seems no disinterested proponent of LIV, anyone in his role will seem to be the bad guy. Because the venture is indefensible, without a cogent justification, and laden with peripheral landmines. That's why GN was a great choice. He is oblivious, or prepared to defend the LIV case in a sort of alternative facts / fake news type manner.

 

[Backsticks]

I would guess that their biggest miscalculation was in the ease with which they thought they would be able to pull the wool over the world's eyes. A bit like Putin. And a bit like Ukraine and the wider world, the PGAT and the golf world, has dug in against it, with an uneasy conflict and no winner or compromise way out, in sight.

 

[BubbaP]

Thanks. A journalist trying to consider the matter objectively, ends up undecided. If there really were a case to be made, there would surely be some disinterested parties on the record supporting it. I haven't come across any. If there aren't at least some, it does suggest that it has nothing to recommend it.
If the only significant voices making the case for it are those pocketing the cash, it is very damning.

This likely backs up your view...
https://awfulannouncing.com/golf/ph...o-liv-golf-from-a-rwandan-gorilla-refuge.html
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[Deleted member 15344]

This likely backs up your view...
https://awfulannouncing.com/golf/ph...o-liv-golf-from-a-rwandan-gorilla-refuge.html
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What on gods earth is that about ?!?

An announcement just for Feherty and Mickleson with Gorillas?!

That’s just incredible

 

[RRidges]

I've a proposal for a different team/franchise
Bryson with Uihlein, Reed and Perez.
Obvious target for food chain sponsors

 

[Hoganman1]

Well, LIV is bringing in some interesting characters. Do they have a TV contract yet? I know one can get the tournaments online so I guess I'll give it a look. I really only care about the majors and the other big tournaments like The Players, The Arnold Palmer, The Memorial and our local Wells Fargo. However, I usually watch most events on Sunday. If LIV is here to stay I hope they go to 72 hole events. Otherwise it's going to be like the USFL or Arena Football. I think both of those "alternate" leagues struggle to get fans, but I could be wrong. I'll miss some of the guys who have left the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour, but not that many. I wonder how many of them will wish they could play on the Champions Tour when they can no longer compete with the young guys.

 

[Slab]

Well, LIV is bringing in some interesting characters. Do they have a TV contract yet? I know one can get the tournaments online so I guess I'll give it a look. I really only care about the majors and the other big tournaments like The Players, The Arnold Palmer, The Memorial and our local Wells Fargo. However, I usually watch most events on Sunday. If LIV is here to stay I hope they go to 72 hole events. Otherwise it's going to be like the USFL or Arena Football. I think both of those "alternate" leagues struggle to get fans, but I could be wrong. I'll miss some of the guys who have left the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour, but not that many. I wonder how many of them will wish they could play on the Champions Tour when they can no longer compete with the young guys.

Interesting point on senior tours but thinking on, I don't recall any lifetime bans being issued from pgat or ET
So (assuming that a player has already done enough to qualify for the seniors) and when they've finished playing the liv, I wonder what would stop them from joining the senior tour?

 

[PJ87]

Worth noting that one of the things I liked about Liv was finishing on a sat so you could see last day Liv then last day PGA next day

From this event it's all Friday - Sunday tournaments

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Trump wants a 2023 Liv UK tournament at Turnberry.

Thoughts?

1. Course of that stature adds gravitas?

2. Doesn't do anything to help its cause of getting back on the Open rota?

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Trump wants a 2023 Liv UK tournament at Turnberry.

Thoughts?

1. Course of that stature adds gravitas?

2. Doesn't do anything to help its cause of getting back on the Open rota?

It will be the best course a LIV tournament will ever be held on. But yes it will probably mean The Ailsa will never host an Open for the foreseeable future.

 

[Hoganman1]

Interesting point on senior tours but thinking on, I don't recall any lifetime bans being issued from pgat or ET
So (assuming that a player has already done enough to qualify for the seniors) and when they've finished playing the liv, I wonder what would stop them from joining the senior tour?

I think the Champions Tour is governed by the PGA Tour.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Turnberry would be a great venue, and it won't be getting picked for The Open anytime soon anyway, so using it as a LIV venue would make perfect sense.