howbow88
Hacker
Shock. It is a
LIV doesn't have to be financially viable in itself at all. It just need to be an effective method of pumping out pro Saudi messages to the world. As long as the Saudis deem this to be effective, it will continue.
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LIV doesn't have to be financially viable in itself at all. It just need to be an effective method of pumping out pro Saudi messages to the world. As long as the Saudis deem this to be effective, it will continue.
Yes, and I agree. My point is that there isnt really an 'other' in the Saudi golf case. There isnt really a debate at all. Just spin from LIV, which no one is buying.
So far, the rumpus has done little but raise the profile of Saudis issues and increased their ill repute. Backfire.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Putting aside individual views on it, the next couple of months brings 3 stops in the USA. With the USA being so important in corporate golf, and spectating golf and with being more 'up against ' PGAT events - I was thinking could I imagine any set of circumstances that would lead to the LIV gang chucking it all in and pulling out.
I expect more protests, more comments in the media, perhaps if the spectator interest really crashed.
I think though probably it would rumble on regardless, to the potential 2023 announcements...
I expect more protests, more comments in the media, perhaps if the spectator interest really crashed.
I think though probably it would rumble on regardless, to the potential 2023 announcements...
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
The few people I’ve spoken to who are pro Liv are consistent in their reason and that is they can watch it for free as they don’t want to pay for Sky.
I can understand this because Sky is expensive. In the choice of no golf or free golf, of course people will watch. People are easily swayed towards “free stuff”
Free now pay later, it’s the drug dealer model. It’s depressing how well it pulls people in.
I can understand this because Sky is expensive. In the choice of no golf or free golf, of course people will watch. People are easily swayed towards “free stuff”
Free now pay later, it’s the drug dealer model. It’s depressing how well it pulls people in.
sunshine
Well-known member
Let's be clear, nobody here is freaking out over golfers making a commercial decision, or Kaymer who openly explained his rationale.
It's stuff like this from Patrick Reed which is so obviously insincere:
Patrick Reed on Twitter: "I’m excited to announce that I have joined LIV Golf, and being part of this new and innovative league. I look forward to growing the game of golf and bringing even more entertainment to golf fans across the world. Can’t wait to tee it up in Portland! https://t.co/13XGV6jvaY" / Twitter
Aztecs27
Money List Winner
exactly this.
These golfers have zero interest in “growing the game”. It’s Judy a convenient one liner to skirt around the fact they don’t want to admit it’s really because they’ve accepted an incredible amount of money from the Saudi Government which will set them up for life (or moreso Than they were already setup)
Orikoru
Tour Winner
He definitely didn't write that himself.
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It's amazing how quickly everyone has forgotten that LIV is all about a fair wage for the caddies............!!!
Ethan
Money List Winner
It's amazing how quickly everyone has forgotten that LIV is all about a fair wage for the caddies............!!!
Have the caddies moved from being independent contractors contracted to other independent contractors, to employees?
sunshine
Well-known member
This cracked me up
Mel posts that Tiger is joining Liv and will be at Centurion on Friday handing out suitcases of cash. Just needs to repeat it a few times in different context, get one of the youtube accounts like bigdraw to endorse it, and bingo... how many regular posters will turn up? I'd be willing to go down to the club to film the bewildered posters arriving. I know who my money's on.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
I quite enjoy the LIV stuff as you know Mel, but let’s be honest this was never going to happen.
Imagine leaving your current employer - “ sorry boss I’m leaving, I’ve been offered 10 times the salary you’re offering and I can’t knock it back although it is only part time so I’ll happily work for you on days I’m or working for them “
I know what most of my ex bosses would have said.
There were a few ways it could have worked if people sat around a table a few years before and structured a non conflicting tour but as you say the main tours wasn’t prepared to which left Norman no option but to go maverick and now the brown stuff has hit the fan.
Premier events every other month where key players have qualified based on OWRP or series standings , half the prize money paid and the other half pumped into to tours which needed support (ie lpga).
Effectively “ can we borrow key players from xyz tours and we will ensure no conflicting events yada yada yada “
It’s past that point …. A long way past that point.
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Ethan
Money List Winner
One was based on dodgy foreign money being spent to persuade gullible people they were buying a great new future with warm words of making things better, liberating people from restrictive rules, working together and co-operation when in fact it was really a self-serving strategy to exact revenge and there was no intention whatsoever to work together, and more rules were imposed than were there in the first place.
And so was the other.
Funny enough, some people may be starting to regret their choices now.
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No idea Ethan, but very early in this thread that was one of the positives about LIV - the caddies would get a decent wage!!!
BTatHome
Tour Winner
Aren't DP and PGA conflicting tours? They have events parallel to one another every single week. So why are they not viewed the same as LIV? Players enter events on both tours, and don't get banned, and the tours allow this to happen (even with Asian tour events too). The hostility towards LIV is very strange considering that the only thing that seems to get on peoples backs is the Saudi backing ... and yet we don't have issue with all the other Saudi influenced (or sourced) things that happen in the world. Selling weapons to Saudi, yeah thats OK ... buying oil from them, yeah no issue.
The conflict is because of the banning of players that wanted to play in "another" tours events (playing other events on other tours is not unheard of). Just get over it, if the players want more money then fine let them play events that give them that money. Not being in events on their main tour will give others lower players entry to those events they are missing (surely that's good too).
The conflict is because of the banning of players that wanted to play in "another" tours events (playing other events on other tours is not unheard of). Just get over it, if the players want more money then fine let them play events that give them that money. Not being in events on their main tour will give others lower players entry to those events they are missing (surely that's good too).
Ethan
Money List Winner
No idea Ethan, but very early in this thread that was one of the positives about LIV - the caddies would get a decent wage!!!
I know that, but it was completely contrary to the view, also expressed widely by supporters of LIV Golf, that players, and by extension caddies, were independent contractors. Independent contractors negotiate their pay with their contract holder, not with the event provider.
sunshine
Well-known member
"reportedly" = made up by Liv propaganda machine who then instruct you and their other social media stooges to spread the fake news.
Ethan
Money List Winner
The PGA Tour owns a part of the DP World Tour. The PGA Tour and Korn Ferry Tour have events opposite one another every week too.
PGA Tour players get membership under contractual conditions that they play certain numbers of events, get releases/waivers to play events on other Tours, play certain specific events every now and again, give certain image rights to the Tour and so on. In exchange they get access to PGA Tour events, contributions to a rather good pension and other benefits.
Playing for the LIV Tour is clearly a breach of those conditions.
Would you expect the Premier League to just say "Welcome" if another football league rocked up and started to recruit Harry Kane, Jack Grealish etc to teams?
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The ET and PGA tour are both official recognised tours with pathways for people to play on
If someone wants to play on the PGA tour they are required to be a member - to be a member they need to fulfill criteria and qualify for events
Same with the ET. It’s open to all to qualify - same with the Sunshine or Japan Tours
They are all recognised by governing bodies etc
The LIV doesn’t have a pathway , it’s an invite only event , not recognised and has no working relationship with any other tour - that may change but right now players don’t have the ability to qualify for the LIV tour , they can’t gain a card - it’s a closed shop
People haven’t been “banned” from any tour as far as I’m aware as of yet. Players have relinquished their tour membership
it’s not far from the Super League that some teams tried to form - and we all remember the reaction to that
Depreston
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