LIV Golf

[Deleted member 15344]

Personally I'm not a fan of invite things, and would agree clear criteria is best in all cases.
But I'm also realistic, it does look like (unsurprisingly) the established business entities were not wishing to welcome liv, so the likely only choice was to become a disruptor. The current 'invite only' is largely 'who can be pursuaded to gamble on playing'.
I agree some kind of roadmap would likely help their cause. In reality though so much of that is out of their control currently (which players gamble, how other tours react, rankings decisions, major qual decisions). I have the feeling at the moment there is a large amount of 'playing it by ear' as things unfold.

It is easy to find fault, but do you have any suggestions to what they should be doing?
I wondered about a 'feeder liv' something, but that would probably antagonise the existing tours even more. Tricky. But ultimately not something that affects me when I tee it up on a weekend.

A lot of it will rely on how the OWGR etc react as you - i think for them to become more established they would need the ranking points and entry into the majors etc

As for what they should be doing

It’s ultimately Saudis sportswashing to help clean their image but the first mistake that was made imo was jumping in with Greg Norman - that imo was a critical error

What they should have done imo is take over the Asian Tour and then look to build the events up - make partnerships with Japan , Asia-Pacific and Australia PGA - all low key to start with but then build up looking to get partners with the ET and PGA with the aim of potentially growing the WGC’s to be more truely global - 1 in each continent with places open for the top 25 in each main tour etc - that imo would have allowed the tours to build , have the WGC as the world tour events and then the Majors

but that would have taken time and instead with Norman at the helm it’s just a case of trying to bully and buy their way past everyone and imo that’s why everyone has reacted and why it’s going to get worse

 

[Deleted member 1147]

So David Feherty has signed for LIV…they’re getting even older?


Yes I know he’s gone as comms

 

[Ethan]

So David Feherty has signed for LIV…they’re getting even older?


Yes I know he’s gone as comms

Feherty had run out of career options in the US. It makes sense for him.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

You didn't allow for the 3 or 4 days of 'holiday' that Mel had (or was told to have) a break from this thread, while The Open was on. You'd have seriously underestimated otherwise!

Had, not told ?

 

[timd77]

I'll DM Greg and tell him to make some announcements to spice things up a little.

Flippin knew it! ?

 

[Depreston]

So David Feherty has signed for LIV…they’re getting even older?


Yes I know he’s gone as comms

Can’t stand him me …. Absolute wrangun

Played for Europe but now supports US at Ryder cups says it all about him

 

[sunshine]

Aren't marshalls at most tournaments unpaid volunteers? You get a cap, polo shirts, waterproof jacket and vouchers for your food. You also get to see pro golfers close up, inside the ropes. As amateur golfers, that's a blast isn't it? No shortage of volunteers when they had the British Masters at Close House, up here.

But admission to the liv events was free, so these people are working for no extra benefit, while everyone else working there (players, caddies etc) are raking in obscene amounts of money. Mugs!

 

[Mel Smooth]

Srixon to sponsor an all Japanese team including Hideki apparently. ?

 

[RRidges]

Feherty had run out of career options in the US. It makes sense for him.

He'll still be an improvement on what LIV has had up until now. As long has he doesn't stress the ridiculous team event feature.
Commentators have been diabolical, imo, up until now.

 

[Backsticks]

Would the view that the LIV commentators have been diabolical be the prevailing view here ?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Srixon to sponsor an all Japanese team including Hideki apparently. ?

Source? It would be nice if you could provide one for all of your announcements!

 

[RRidges]

Would the view that the LIV commentators have been diabolical be the prevailing view here ?

I have a small amount of sympathy for them, as part of the shambles is caused by the Shotgun Start - so pretty much everyone is at the same stage of the round. So the coverage is ducking and diving across multiple holes and groups. That still doesn't excuse the amount of pushing of the team event they've obviously been told to do though.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Source? It would be nice if you could provide one for all of your announcements!

Picked it up from twitter, hardly an announcemnt BiM, hence the 'apparently' in there.

Be an interesting devlopment if it happened, and an indication of the way the series will explore new avenues in the way the game is promoted.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Interesting development. Apparently several big name LIVers want to return to the PGA tour.

 

[Backsticks]

Possible rumours that they are not finding team golf all it was cracked up to be being the main factor seemingly.

 

[RRidges]

Source? It would be nice if you could provide one for all of your announcements!

I just assume LIV internal newsletter/rumour factory.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Interesting development. Apparently several big name LIVers want to return to the PGA tour.

Which ones, and where are you hearing that?

Will be interesting to see what happens with regards to any legal action from LIV if anyone does try to leave. Wonder how water tight the contracts they signed we're.

 

[RRidges]

Possible rumours that they are not finding team golf all it was cracked up to be being the main factor seemingly.

I can't see that being a credible reason. Unless the payment structure is not as simple as it seems at face value.
For example....It might be that individual payments are offset against the original guarantee/sign-on amount and the team event is where the players actually receive cash.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I can't see that being a credible reason. Unless the payment structure is not as simple as it seems at face value.
For example....It might be that individual payments are offset against the original guarantee/sign-on amount and the team event is where the players actually receive cash.

I was wondering about this. If BdC was promised £300 million (don't know if that's the correct amount but using it as an example) is that minimum with any winnings on top? Or is it £300 million guaranteed but winnings are deducted from that number?

 

[RRidges]

I was wondering about this. If BdC was promised £300 million (don't know if that's the correct amount but using it as an example) is that minimum with any winnings on top? Or is it £300 million guaranteed but winnings are deducted from that number?

All hush-hush for obvious reasons. With GN pulling the strings, nothing would surprise me. He's a canny businessman!