Ethan
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In between revival tours for Level 42?
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In between revival tours for Level 42?
Beezerk
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Well yes, i did a quick Google on that angle earlier, according to FBI files there are no "obvious" links between the bombers and the Saudi state. Again I have every sympathy with the families but these sort of conspiracy theories don't help at all.
Joe Biden fist pumped the Crown Prince just a matter of days ago. The US are incredibly close to Saudi. It's all very selective.
I've done business with pretty much every country out there, ironically enough not Saudi so far, and one thing I have learnt is that everyday people are the same all over. The noise that comes from certain countries, the sharp politics etc rarely comes from the masses. They just want to live their lives, look after their families, same as all of us.
Beezerk
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I never realised Joe Biden was a Toon fan ????
Apparently he said the meeting went canny
He will be sat in the oval office wearing the black and white stripes come the new season
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All the conspiracy’s for 9/11 are both disgusting and dangerous - but imo it’s typical US behaviour - always need to find some way that it wasn’t a terrorist attack.
The Royal Family have had very close links to the US/UK/NATO etc - would have had nothing to do with 9/11
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Go and tell your boss you're switching companies for miles more cash, but still want to work on the top 4 sexy projects, attend the Xmas Do and stay in the pension scheme.
And you're doing it to help underprivileged kids.
Yep. Baloney.
Go and play LIV if you like. But you won't qualify for ranking points as you're now on a 54 hole reality TV show.
Hence, you won't get in the Majors, unless already qualified. (No need to ban folk who qualify anyway, that looks like sour grapes)
I think folk should be able to maximise their earnings as they see fit. But if you've jumped ship, you've jumped ship. I'd also have more respect got the LIV Players if they ran the "Harry Enfield Loadsamoney" character speech when asked about it.
And you're doing it to help underprivileged kids.
Yep. Baloney.
Go and play LIV if you like. But you won't qualify for ranking points as you're now on a 54 hole reality TV show.
Hence, you won't get in the Majors, unless already qualified. (No need to ban folk who qualify anyway, that looks like sour grapes)
I think folk should be able to maximise their earnings as they see fit. But if you've jumped ship, you've jumped ship. I'd also have more respect got the LIV Players if they ran the "Harry Enfield Loadsamoney" character speech when asked about it.
Slab
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I’m still neither for or against LIV (I don’t mind if its there or if its not) but as the ET season finale tour championship in Dubai is now giving away tickets to the general public, perhaps when it cycles round again (as it surely will) folks could drop that aspect from the discussion as it seems it is not uncommon for tickets to be given away
Blue in Munich
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Trump never was a politician; a dictator and a bully yes, but never a politician.
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On the basis he won (and lost) a free vote, he was definitely the first, never the second and discussion of the third is outside the scope of the forum and LIV!
Sats
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Can't say I'm really bothered about the PGA/DP/LIV - whining on about it is going to do the sum of nothing.
C7usk
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Totally agree, if they were all honest and said they are doing it for the money you would have a lot more respect for them... Growing the game of golf? ?...I don't think so...
I get it though, almost everyone has their number and when the numbers are so high then its got to be difficult to turn down. I haven't been too bothered with the players who have went so far, but Cam Smith, if he goes, is a different matter.. He is obviously at the top of the game so would be a significant loss from the tour...
Extending your job analogy though, does it not also highlight the mistaken thinking about access to the majors.
Yes, you can no longer stay on the nice projects or go the Xmas party once you leave that organisation. But it doesn't follow that your golf club will no longer have you as a member,your local pub let you in the door, or your friends have you over for dinner.
The majors use the owgr points as a tool, for objectivity and convenience and an ensurance that the best golfers are filtered into their starting field. Once that tool becomes less effective, if LIV golfers are not being filtered into their field, then they will modify their filter.
Yes, you can no longer stay on the nice projects or go the Xmas party once you leave that organisation. But it doesn't follow that your golf club will no longer have you as a member,your local pub let you in the door, or your friends have you over for dinner.
The majors use the owgr points as a tool, for objectivity and convenience and an ensurance that the best golfers are filtered into their starting field. Once that tool becomes less effective, if LIV golfers are not being filtered into their field, then they will modify their filter.
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Have any of the believers in the theory that the r&A would exclude, or try to exclude, or not make an entry path for Saudi tour golfers into the Open a real belief that the above would come about ?
Ethan
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Cam Smith is a player who could turn the tables. Rory is another, possibly Morikawa too.
Although he is no 1, not sure if Scheffler alone would move the needle.
A couple of Rahm, Thomas, Schauffele would also make a big difference.
Although he is no 1, not sure if Scheffler alone would move the needle.
A couple of Rahm, Thomas, Schauffele would also make a big difference.
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Asian Tour no 1 given PGA tour special temporary membership, and accepts.
Always been his dream to play on the PGA tour, apparently.
Always been his dream to play on the PGA tour, apparently.
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rksquire
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Completely forgot the Open was on, too busy watching the strengthened DPWT / PGA alliance Barracuda Open
The morals, or lack thereof, regarding the greed and money of the LIV defectors is becoming less of a factor; the increase in purses, already pretty significant, in the PGA Tour compounded by the 22% increase to the Open winner.... I think at most other times, given the cost of living crisis and austerity etc., this would have ill timed and criticised. Money is king for these players, the FED Ex Cup may say 'points' but the standings is $ based; the Race to Dubai system just a fancy way of saying the leading money winner. It's always been about the money and how to make the best rich players richer.
Re: Trump and his encouragement / facilitation of LIV - don't think anyone should be surprised. Or indeed with Biden fist bumping others. I've given up on the American political system - it honestly plays out like 200 pages of a golf forum except causes actual real harm in the real world. Hope Trump is the Honorary starter at the weekend, I'd like to get an idea what his golf game is really like!
I see a lot of questions about the LIV format and sustainability etc., I've no idea what is planned but it is possible to think of solutions, albeit I've never planned a golf tournament / tour. But you can easy have 72 players play a shotgun event. Also, because it's shotgun and there's enough daylight you could play 2 shotgun events 6 hours apart in the same day (not at St. Andrew's obviously). After day 2, take the bottom 72 and let them play out for a 'shield'. Still golf on the course, spectators get to see all the players etc., but it's subservient to the main event. The top 72 play out for the big bucks. Complete nonsense of course, my point is with a little bit of creativity it is possible to extend the field to 144 participants, getting 54 holes out of all involved.
Didn't the lady who hosts the LIV pressers clarify this after the journos seemed to stump BDC with this question? To paraphrase, pretty sure she said "prize money on top of other monies".
Ryder Cup and Majors clearly mean much more to the fans than most players (appreciate there are exceptions - I would have thought Poulter one such exception but clearly wrong). If Smith, Hideki and Cantlay go I feel there will have to be discussions - there'll be no question marks on Majors but there'll clearly be a lot of LIV noise pointing out who's missing resulting in, albeit indirectly, the credentials of said tournament.
The morals, or lack thereof, regarding the greed and money of the LIV defectors is becoming less of a factor; the increase in purses, already pretty significant, in the PGA Tour compounded by the 22% increase to the Open winner.... I think at most other times, given the cost of living crisis and austerity etc., this would have ill timed and criticised. Money is king for these players, the FED Ex Cup may say 'points' but the standings is $ based; the Race to Dubai system just a fancy way of saying the leading money winner. It's always been about the money and how to make the best rich players richer.
Re: Trump and his encouragement / facilitation of LIV - don't think anyone should be surprised. Or indeed with Biden fist bumping others. I've given up on the American political system - it honestly plays out like 200 pages of a golf forum except causes actual real harm in the real world. Hope Trump is the Honorary starter at the weekend, I'd like to get an idea what his golf game is really like!
I see a lot of questions about the LIV format and sustainability etc., I've no idea what is planned but it is possible to think of solutions, albeit I've never planned a golf tournament / tour. But you can easy have 72 players play a shotgun event. Also, because it's shotgun and there's enough daylight you could play 2 shotgun events 6 hours apart in the same day (not at St. Andrew's obviously). After day 2, take the bottom 72 and let them play out for a 'shield'. Still golf on the course, spectators get to see all the players etc., but it's subservient to the main event. The top 72 play out for the big bucks. Complete nonsense of course, my point is with a little bit of creativity it is possible to extend the field to 144 participants, getting 54 holes out of all involved.
Didn't the lady who hosts the LIV pressers clarify this after the journos seemed to stump BDC with this question? To paraphrase, pretty sure she said "prize money on top of other monies".
Ryder Cup and Majors clearly mean much more to the fans than most players (appreciate there are exceptions - I would have thought Poulter one such exception but clearly wrong). If Smith, Hideki and Cantlay go I feel there will have to be discussions - there'll be no question marks on Majors but there'll clearly be a lot of LIV noise pointing out who's missing resulting in, albeit indirectly, the credentials of said tournament.
RRidges
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She'll have simply stated what was on her prompt sheet. Doesn't mean ALL prize money goes to players. As I posted, it might simply be the Team earnings for example. The fact that BdC was stumped could suggest something along those lines. As I've already stated, Norman is no fool.
Should a disgruntled LIV player leave that tour, we may find out more, but I don't see that happening for a year or 2, in spite of rumours.
ColchesterFC
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I assume that there will be some disgruntled golfers among the original 48 that will be leaving the tour now that the "bigger" names have signed up. Will be interesting to see if any of them speak out now they're being discarded and no longer needed.
