LIV Golf

[Backsticks]

Both DJ and Scharw qualify because they have a green jacket

The Masters Committee have full control on the Masters - if they decided that anyone who plays on the LIV Tour can’t play then they will do that , nothing will stop them - it’s their party their rules at the end of the day

True. But the corallary is that they will invite the worlds best golfers with no reference to where or how they earn their living.

Augusta was inviting whoever it wanted long before the owgr or such a concept was even dreamt of.

 

[Mel Smooth]

If you can’t understand why then I guess you haven’t read anything people have posted

Can you really not think of one reason why the Masters may do something ?

Well for a club steeped in selective racism, let’s hope they don’t attempt to take a moral stance against LIV players.

 

[RRidges]

Both DJ and Scharw qualify because they have a green jacket

The Masters Committee have full control on the Masters - if they decided that anyone who plays on the LIV Tour can’t play then they will do that , nothing will stop them - it’s their party their rules at the end of the day

Thanks. I couldn't be arsed checking that out. Still makes the chart you posted a bit misleading.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thanks. I couldn't be arsed checking that out. Still makes the chart you posted a bit misleading.

In what way is it misleading ?‍♂

It just shows where the players rankings could potentially and probably will be at certain periods because of being on the liv Tour

 

[RRidges]

Well for a club steeped in selective racism, let’s hope they don’t attempt to take a moral stance against LIV players.

Seems like justification for LIV players to boycott it. Perhaps you could suggest that to Greg.
Fortunately, that selective racism has now disappeared.
Oh and hang on...How many African American players are there in the LIV circus?

 

[RRidges]

In what way is it misleading ?‍♂

It just shows where the players rankings could potentially and probably will be at certain periods because of being on the liv Tour

But not the whole picture of who would qualify.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Although I'm sure this is a true statement, it doesn't really have much to do with this thread

Liv golf hasn't been set up to entertain the everyday masses in Saudi. If you wander down the streets of Riyadh will you find everyday people debating the strengths of the crushers v the majestiks? It's all about the elite rulers trying to buy popularity and credibility.

It relates to the post I was replying to ?‍

 

[Mel Smooth]

Anybody figure out who those 3 white silouhettes are - Donald Trump possibly one of them?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549495362502672391

 

[Backsticks]

Stenson, Smith, Matsuyama ?

It still looks very weak, and no reason to watch it or consider it a viable alternative to the pgat. Its real players are still in the single digits, the rest are Champions tour effectively, or just no name placeholders Saudi will be hope to substitute out for real ranking players.

On the interest and viewing numbers for LIV so far and in the uocoming ones, how much of that is genuine golf interest, or, boosted by interest that is really just watching Saudi v PGAT as a contest itself ? People do like a battle. But that will not sustain interest in liv events if it doesnt inject at least 10 more serious players from the current owgr top 30 or so. Even then, it may only be a time limited thing, as the closed shop makes it inherently less relevant year by year. In a couple of years Phil and a few others, rather then just being past-its, will look more and more like the ceremonial starter group of the Masters.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Stenson, Smith, Matsuyama ?

It still looks very weak, and no reason to watch it or consider it a viable alternative to the pgat. Its real players are still in the single digits, the rest are Champions tour effectively, or just no name placeholders Saudi will be hope to substitute out for real ranking players.

On the interest and viewing numbers for LIV so far and in the uocoming ones, how much of that is genuine golf interest, or, boosted by interest that is really just watching Saudi v PGAT as a contest itself ? People do like a battle. But that will not sustain interest in liv events if it doesnt inject at least 10 more serious players from the current owgr top 30 or so. Even then, it may only be a time limited thing, as the closed shop makes it inherently less relevant year by year. In a couple of years Phil and a few others, rather then just being past-its, will look more and more like the ceremonial starter group of the Masters.

I doubt Smith is one of them - the other two, Stenson is likely and Matsuyama a maybe I reckon.

I think it's harsh to call it weak, when 5 of them finsihed strongly at The Open - this went under the radar a little on the back of Smiths excellent back nine but BDC made 6 birdies coming back in on Sunday.
I know the names don't appeal to some, but they will in parts of the world where we don't associate ourselves with, and that is why these guys are there = to make this a truly global series.
As for viewing numbers, who knows, but I do think you are underestimating the impact of LIV - 2 events in, I think it's been pretty well recieved, and you are slowly seeing people shift their opinion - with a lot of commentators now admitting it's here to stay and the tours need to find a way forward working with the series.

I'd imagine the older players are already considering their options, for the future - they won't play in it forever, they'll know that, Norman will know that - as the series grows, you'll likely see them take up positions of possibly team owners, or even working onboard with LIV themselves. It's all new ground in a golf sense, and presents a lot of different opportunities.

 

[Slab]

Stenson, Smith, Matsuyama ?

It still looks very weak, and no reason to watch it or consider it a viable alternative to the pgat. Its real players are still in the single digits, the rest are Champions tour effectively, or just no name placeholders Saudi will be hope to substitute out for real ranking players.

On the interest and viewing numbers for LIV so far and in the uocoming ones, how much of that is genuine golf interest, or, boosted by interest that is really just watching Saudi v PGAT as a contest itself ? People do like a battle. But that will not sustain interest in liv events if it doesnt inject at least 10 more serious players from the current owgr top 30 or so. Even then, it may only be a time limited thing, as the closed shop makes it inherently less relevant year by year. In a couple of years Phil and a few others, rather then just being past-its, will look more and more like the ceremonial starter group of the Masters.

That phrasing caught my attention. I wonder if folks see it as an either/or scenario? So far I've kinda seen LIV as 'in addition to'

I already watch golf from 5 or 6 different tours, and so far it's made no odds to me if LIV make that 7 diff tours, its just more golf on TV to choose from. Especially since most weeks (due to player scheduling) we don't get to see all (or even most) of the best players in the same comp anyway & means I rarely get all I want from a single Tour event (Majors aside) so its no detraction for me if say DJ or Bryson isn't in the same field as Rory or Spieth (more often than not 'they're' not in the same field week to week anyway)

 

[Ethan]

I doubt Smith is one of them - the other two, Stenson is likely and Matsuyama a maybe I reckon.

I think it's harsh to call it weak, when 5 of them finsihed strongly at The Open - this went under the radar a little on the back of Smiths excellent back nine but BDC made 6 birdies coming back in on Sunday.
I know the names don't appeal to some, but they will in parts of the world where we don't associate ourselves with, and that is why these guys are there = to make this a truly global series.
As for viewing numbers, who knows, but I do think you are underestimating the impact of LIV - 2 events in, I think it's been pretty well recieved, and you are slowly seeing people shift their opinion - with a lot of commentators now admitting it's here to stay and the tours need to find a way forward working with the series.

I'd imagine the older players are already considering their options, for the future - they won't play in it forever, they'll know that, Norman will know that - as the series grows, you'll likely see them take up positions of possibly team owners, or even working onboard with LIV themselves. It's all new ground in a golf sense, and presents a lot of different opportunities.

None of the LIV golfers were in contention on Sunday.

Stenson has been invisible on the PGA/DPWT lately. Matsuyama is a big name, though.

 

[Mel Smooth]

None of the LIV golfers were in contention on Sunday.

Stenson has been invisible on the PGA/DPWT lately. Matsuyama is a big name, though.

I said 5 of them had strong finishes which they did - in a massive event, the biggest arguably of the year.

Stenson will be being brought in to strengthen the appeal to Scandanavia - not for his form on the golf course.

 

[Ethan]

I said 5 of them had strong finishes which they did - in a massive event, the biggest arguably of the year.

Stenson will be being brought in to strengthen the appeal to Scandanavia - not for his form on the golf course.

Indeed, they were prominent amongst the also-rans. T11 usually goes under the radar unless it is Tiger, Rory or a shock amateur. I doubt that BdC, DJ or the like consider that a good week's work.

So now LIV Golf is tacking from 'the best players' to 'those with specific market appeal'. Interesting. That sportwashing needs to cover all relevant markets, eh?

 

[Backsticks]

That phrasing caught my attention. I wonder if folks see it as an either/or scenario? So far I've kinda seen LIV as 'in addition to'

I already watch golf from 5 or 6 different tours, and so far it's made no odds to me if LIV make that 7 diff tours, its just more golf on TV to choose from. Especially since most weeks (due to player scheduling) we don't get to see all (or even most) of the best players in the same comp anyway & means I rarely get all I want from a single Tour event (Majors aside) so its no detraction for me if say DJ or Bryson isn't in the same field as Rory or Spieth (more often than not 'they're' not in the same field week to week anyway)

Fair point. But I would say the market for MORE golf is very limited. I watch quite a bit. Pgat mainly , but far from all its tourneys. LPGA next, about 6-8 a year, and then 2 or 3 World tour events. If I had the inclination watch more, it would be more of the first two, or, something that was of that level or better. Leaving aside all the civil war or moral issues on LIV, it is still only offering DP level tourney, down graded by the 54 holes, teams crap, and youtube medium. If they recruited, 30 of the worlds top 40 then yes, it becomes interesting viewing, and I am in, ditching some pgat viewing. But I dont need more, and it isnt offering anything more interesting, rather its less interesting, that golf I already tyrn down. For context, guessing i watch 20-25 golf weekends a year to some extent each. Full on for the majors, the rest according to the field, course, my own time, etc

 

[Backsticks]

So now LIV Golf is tacking from 'the best players' to 'those with specific market appeal'. Interesting. That sportwashing needs to cover all relevant markets, eh?

Yes, that does sound like spin alright, making a virtue out of necessity like the free to the world on youtube line.

 

[BubbaP]

For the guessing game, I'll go Stenson, Leishman, Scott

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I said 5 of them had strong finishes which they did - in a massive event, the biggest arguably of the year.

Stenson will be being brought in to strengthen the appeal to Scandanavia - not for his form on the golf course.

Twaddle.

They have gone after Stenson because he is the RC captain. It’s pure spite from LiV. It does nothing to grow the game and he further diminishes the quality of their field.

Having a strong finish in one event is a spike not a trend.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Twaddle.

They have gone after Stenson because he is the RC captain. It’s pure spite from LiV. It does nothing to grow the game and he further diminishes the quality of their field.

Having a strong finish in one event is a spike not a trend.

Maybe they have, and maybe it is spite, but then, I’d argue that the tours have shown nothing but spite towards LIV, so an eye for an eye….

But he will undoubtedly improve the LIV attention through Scandinavia.

 

[Mel Smooth]

For the guessing game, I'll go Stenson, Leishman, Scott

There’s been strong rumours of Leishman and Scott for a few days, of course they could be 3 players that we’ve never heard of as well….