LIV Golf

[BubbaP]

Asian Tour no 1 given PGA tour special temporary membership, and accepts.
Always been his dream to play on the PGA tour, apparently.

Good for Joohyung Kim, he's been playing well. ?
Not sure it's really news though that PGAT 'creams off talent from elsewhere', it might be more newsworthy if the Asian Tour decides to ban him perhaps....?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Good for Joohyung Kim, he's been playing well. ?
Not sure it's really news though that PGAT 'creams off talent from elsewhere', it might be more newsworthy if the Asian Tour decides to ban him perhaps....?

It’s newsworthy in that he chose the PGA tour rather than LIV.

 

[Springveldt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549419367699562502

Isn’t he now exempt into the majors for 5 years? He could take the money and win more majors.

Win, win then.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Isn’t he now exempt into the majors for 5 years? He could take the money and win more majors.

Win, win then.

At the moment he has various exemptions through places and The Open win

The only change would be if they change the exemptions or bring rules in about Tour membership etc

 

[RRidges]

I assume that there will be some disgruntled golfers among the original 48 that will be leaving the tour now that the "bigger" names have signed up. Will be interesting to see if any of them speak out now they're being discarded and no longer needed.

There will likely be non-disclosure agreements and financial benefits/penalties involved that will discourage that sort of thing too.
And if you can excuse the poor taste, final payment might be available from nearest Saudi embassy!

 

[Springveldt]

At the moment he has various exemptions through places and The Open win

The only change would be if they change the exemptions or bring rules in about Tour membership etc

That would be a bit petty though since the majors aren’t run by any tours though, wouldn’t it?

 

[BubbaP]

It’s newsworthy in that he chose the PGA tour rather than LIV.

Okay. I fully expect the PGA Tour to remain a big draw for many players, however this all pans out. It does highlight there's likely a lot more water to go under the bridge with this 'battle'

 

[BubbaP]

I assume that there will be some disgruntled golfers among the original 48 that will be leaving the tour now that the "bigger" names have signed up. Will be interesting to see if any of them speak out now they're being discarded and no longer needed.

I suspect there were two groups, those signed up with a commitment for a period of time, and some just being 'invited' on an event by event basis.
https://forums.golfmonthly.com/threads/saudi-super-league.111261/post-2521547

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That would be a bit petty though since the majors aren’t run by any tours though, wouldn’t it?

Guess depends on what the majors want to do and how they feel about the whole issue

The majors may not be run by the tours but there is a strong link between the two

R&A clearly weren’t happy about it all hence the requests to Mickleson and Norman- the whole issue is a bit of a stain on the sport and the majors don’t want that -

If it’s not sorted by the Masters I can see them making a stand - what sort of stand that is could be key

this is a good thread on the ranking points and how it will affect some players

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549383944935972864

 

[Mel Smooth]

Guess depends on what the majors want to do and how they feel about the whole issue

The majors may not be run by the tours but there is a strong link between the two

R&A clearly weren’t happy about it all hence the requests to Mickleson and Norman- the whole issue is a bit of a stain on the sport and the majors don’t want that -

If it’s not sorted by the Masters I can see them making a stand - what sort of stand that is could be key

this is a good thread on the ranking points and how it will affect some players

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549383944935972864

Phil, it will come down to that thing called money. The majors will make their decision based on commercial interests.

If the bottom line will be improved by having LIV players present, then LIV players will be present.

 

[BubbaP]

Guess depends on what the majors want to do and how they feel about the whole issue

The majors may not be run by the tours but there is a strong link between the two

R&A clearly weren’t happy about it all hence the requests to Mickleson and Norman- the whole issue is a bit of a stain on the sport and the majors don’t want that -

If it’s not sorted by the Masters I can see them making a stand - what sort of stand that is could be key

this is a good thread on the ranking points and how it will affect some players

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549383944935972864

Does the "Top 64-MP" represent the WGC Matchplay?
I'd kind if forgotten about them, assuming liv players were already banned from them, but suppose still up in the air.
OWGR has been a key part of the mix from the start, agree eyes on Masters as it nears as none of this had broken last year.

 

[sunshine]

Apparently he said the meeting went canny

He will be sat in the oval office wearing the black and white stripes come the new season .

Although I think you'll find he'll be wearing a white and green strip from now on if he supports Newcastle

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, it will come down to that thing called money. The majors will make their decision based on commercial interests.

If the bottom line will be improved by having LIV players present, then LIV players will be present.

The Masters won’t be thinking of the finances , neither will USGA etc - it’s not always all about the bottom line - maybe LIV is like that hence your thinking that it’s just about money

The Master , The Open etc they are bigger than the LIV Tour and if they don’t want to invite any player that plays on the LIV Tour then they won’t - Augusta will still see out , Hoylake will still sell out , they will still have the same funding at both events

Does the "Top 64-MP" represent the WGC Matchplay?
I'd kind if forgotten about them, assuming liv players were already banned from them, but suppose still up in the air.
OWGR has been a key part of the mix from the start, agree eyes on Masters as it nears as none of this had broken last year.

The WGCs are run by the PGA Tour along with the ET etc so at the moment I guess they won’t be playing in them

 

[sunshine]

I've done business with pretty much every country out there, ironically enough not Saudi so far, and one thing I have learnt is that everyday people are the same all over. The noise that comes from certain countries, the sharp politics etc rarely comes from the masses. They just want to live their lives, look after their families, same as all of us.

Although I'm sure this is a true statement, it doesn't really have much to do with this thread

Liv golf hasn't been set up to entertain the everyday masses in Saudi. If you wander down the streets of Riyadh will you find everyday people debating the strengths of the crushers v the majestiks? It's all about the elite rulers trying to buy popularity and credibility.

 

[RRidges]

Guess depends on what the majors want to do and how they feel about the whole issue

The majors may not be run by the tours but there is a strong link between the two

R&A clearly weren’t happy about it all hence the requests to Mickleson and Norman- the whole issue is a bit of a stain on the sport and the majors don’t want that -

If it’s not sorted by the Masters I can see them making a stand - what sort of stand that is could be key

this is a good thread on the ranking points and how it will affect some players

https://twitter.com/x/status/1549383944935972864

I's not as simple as that - unless qualifying criteria change.
DJ qualifies for The Masters, for example, because he finished 12th this year. As does Charl Schwarzel (10th)
Oh, and anyone who finished in the top 50 of OWGR in the final week of previous year, so will likely cover a few more, if they can hang on until then.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The Masters won’t be thinking of the finances , neither will USGA etc - it’s not always all about the bottom line - maybe LIV is like that hence your thinking that it’s just about money

The Master , The Open etc they are bigger than the LIV Tour and if they don’t want to invite any player that plays on the LIV Tour then they won’t - Augusta will still see out , Hoylake will still sell out , they will still have the same funding at both events



The WGCs are run by the PGA Tour along with the ET etc so at the moment I guess they won’t be playing in them

The Open sold out to Sky for the TV rights, it's been discussed plenty of times on here in the last few days - so it is about the bottom line unfortunately.

And lets not lose sight of the commercial investors in golf, how long before they see LIV as a worthwhile investment - as i said earlier, LIV will dominate the golf media for pretty much the rest of the year - and potential sponsors will be aware of that.

The Majors will always be bigger than the LIV tour, and that's how it should be, but the tours themselves are vulnerable right now.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I's not as simple as that - unless qualifying criteria change.
DJ qualifies for The Masters, for example, because he finished 12th this year. As does Charl Schwarzel (10th)
Oh, and anyone who finished in the top 50 of OWGR in the final week of previous year, so will likely cover a few more, if they can hang on until then.

Both DJ and Scharw qualify because they have a green jacket

The Masters Committee have full control on the Masters - if they decided that anyone who plays on the LIV Tour can’t play then they will do that , nothing will stop them - it’s their party their rules at the end of the day

 

[Mel Smooth]

Both DJ and Scharw qualify because they have a green jacket

The Masters Committee have full control on the Masters - if they decided that anyone who plays on the LIV Tour can’t play then they will do that , nothing will stop them - it’s their party their rules at the end of the day

And why on earth would they do that - it would be the most ironic name for a sporting event ever. ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And why on earth would they do that - it would be the most ironic name for a sporting event ever. ?

If you can’t understand why then I guess you haven’t read anything people have posted

Can you really not think of one reason why the Masters may do something ?

 

[Red devil]

Both DJ and Scharw qualify because they have a green jacket

The Masters Committee have full control on the Masters - if they decided that anyone who plays on the LIV Tour can’t play then they will do that , nothing will stop them - it’s their party their rules at the end of the day

Correct. If you win the Masters its automatic invitation for life. Same applies to Garcia and Reed off the top of my hat