LIV Golf

[timd77]

Come on, you can even see on this thread - on a forum that I would argue leans towards "traditional golf", that there has been a shift of opinion as more and more people voice their support for LIV.
If you go on some of the Facebook groups, there is huge support for LIV, same on Twitter - I've seen comments from You Tubers that have sizeable followings who went, they loved it.
I can't comment on where you are getting your public opinion from, as I don't know, but I can guarantee 100%, the views I've seen are massively in favour of the LIV series, and that covers groups of tens of thousand of people.

It’s the same 10-12 people commenting and so I wouldn’t read anything into that at all personally. Not saying there hasn’t been some sort of change in opinion, but I’d say most people made their thoughts known at the start of the thread and have ‘opted out’ since then.

From what I’ve seen on Twitter when the likes of Graham mcdowell and poulter have posted, most replies are negative. Out of the 5 people I regularly play with, only 1 of them isn’t bothered (he doesn’t watch any golf anyway), the rest plus me are dead against it.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Even on this thread there isn’t the majority in favour of it all - just because people are loud and very vocal doesn’t mean majority

Maybe it’s within your bubble but then I guess you will be looking at opinions that align with the LIV

But I think you are over estimating how many are in favour of what LIV are doing

Look at the crowds at the Hemel event - had to give away tickets and even then it wasn’t full - nowhere near

That's quite clearly not what I said.

The NLU account is absolutely anti-LIV - as are most of them with blue ticks - you can't possibly take the reactions to their views as "general"

You'll be putting up tweets from Brandel Chamblee next as evidence

 

[Mel Smooth]

It’s the same 10-12 people commenting and so I wouldn’t read anything into that at all personally. Not saying there hasn’t been some sort of change in opinion, but I’d say most people made their thoughts known at the start of the thread and have ‘opted out’ since then.

From what I’ve seen on Twitter when the likes of Graham mcdowell and poulter have posted, most replies are negative. Out of the 5 people I regularly play with, only 1 of them isn’t bothered (he doesn’t watch any golf anyway), the rest plus me are dead against it.

Conversely, just been on the Golf Mates Facebook page, a guy has posted about Brooks being a has been, I'd say about 60 to 75% of the responses are supportive of him and the LIV series.
And I can find posts like that on many many other groups.

Rick Shiels, biggest influencer in golf has made a vid today about Koepka.

Read the comments and tell me I'm wrong...

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Conversely, just been on the Golf Mates Facebook page, a guy has posted about Brooks being a has been, I'd say about 60 to 75% of the responses are supportive of him and the LIV series.
And I can find posts like that on many many other groups.

Rick Shiels, biggest influencer in golf has made a vid today about Koepka.

Read the comments and tell me I'm wrong...

Save your efforts mate, brick wall is up

 

[timd77]

Conversely, just been on the Golf Mates Facebook page, a guy has posted about Brooks being a has been, I'd say about 60 to 75% of the responses are supportive of him and the LIV series.
And I can find posts like that on many many other groups.

Rick Shiels, biggest influencer in golf has made a vid today about Koepka.

Read the comments and tell me I'm wrong...

You’re correct based on those comments so far, a lot of support for it, or at least not anti-LIV. But I’m not sure that people who follow RS and comment on videos are the sort of people who watch golf on tv anyway. He’s more of an equipment influencer and golf coach.

I wouldn’t put my eyes and ears through the golfmates stuff personally!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You’re correct based on those comments so far, a lot of support for it, or at least not anti-LIV. But I’m not sure that people who follow RS and comment on videos are the sort of people who watch golf on tv anyway. He’s more of an equipment influencer and golf coach.

I wouldn’t put my eyes and ears through the golfmates stuff personally!

However this has been one of my main points since day one . This is the audience Liv is going for

They aren't pushing hard to get the people who already watch golf and post on a forum about golf

We aren't the target

 

[Depreston]

Comments on NLU tweets aren’t to be trusted but Rick Shiels YouTube comments are

And they say the walls up

The advocacy and shilling from posters on here baffles me like

 

[timd77]

However this has been one of my main points since day one . This is the audience Liv is going for

They aren't pushing hard to get the people who already watch golf and post on a forum about golf

We aren't the target

This we can agree on.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Comments on NLU tweets aren’t to be trusted but Rick Shiels YouTube comments are

And they say the walls up

The advocacy and shilling from posters on here baffles me like

You can trust who you want, I'm just posting evidence that supports my view. It's very, very easy to find.

 

[Jimaroid]

Rick Shiels, biggest influencer in golf

 

[Deleted member 21784]

2.1 million subscribers
A podcast now
Second channel (155k subscription)

His videos get 500k views on average it seems (quick glance)

Started from just being an average pga pro

Makes a good wage off it

And was on talksport earlier with his charity walk

So he is not a big influencer? Pray tell why?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Go on, give me yours.

 

[BubbaP]

As there is plenty of speculation and crystal ball gazing on going, here are some further musings...

As things stand (may change) liv are restricted to 48 players. If as some suggest their goal is mainly the big media draw players, then could end up with a situation where PGA Tour is showcasing competitive younger players until they become 'big names'.
Now consider this, PGA Tour have thrown massive $ at trying to position the Players as a major. Imagine if they opened it up, then it may finally start to be viewed as one. If next year it is restricted then the case weakens (IMO).

 

[Foxholer]

Personally I'd hope what the public want, and that is to have more competetive golf. The US Open have already set a precedent for allowing LIV players to compete, a precendent that the other majors will feel obliged to follow.
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I don't believe a 'precedent' has been set at all! They are simply applying their own qualification rules - as I would expect to happen in the future! It's what happens when the past points gained start dropping off when some intervention might be required if LIV tournaments haven't been allowed to award OWGR points.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Conversely, just been on the Golf Mates Facebook page, a guy has posted about Brooks being a has been, I'd say about 60 to 75% of the responses are supportive of him and the LIV series.
And I can find posts like that on many many other groups.

Rick Shiels, biggest influencer in golf has made a vid today about Koepka.

Read the comments and tell me I'm wrong...

Did he really say “baddie team” ?‍ And compare to might ducks

People can pick and chose the social media that aligns with their opinion - I have no idea who NLU supports or what “blue ticks” support - I’ll read posts and you can see the opinion

it’s very much marmite right now for a number of reason

The players going aren’t always the most “likeable”

The level of money being given to people

the format - some like it quick and done ( maybe they have short attention spans etc ) where as some prefer the 72 holes


There will no doubt be support for it from certain areas - it may well be the people that enjoy watching hackers play golf on blogs etc - are there is a target audience for that , no idea what the percentage is

Out of the conversations around the two swindles I play in , the majority don’t like it , most turned down tickets , and think the odd one watched it

 

[Jimaroid]

Go on, give me yours.

Tiger Woods of course.

Step out of your YouTube bubble for just one second and you might realise just how ridiculous you're sounding.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Tiger Woods of course.

Step out of your YouTube bubble for just one second and you might realise just how ridiculous you're sounding.

He's not an influencer, he's influential.

Step into 2022 and you might just realise....

 

[Jimaroid]

He's not an influencer, he's influential.

Step into 2022 and you might just realise....

I'm fine where I am, thanks, but you might want to learn about semantics before you try that reasoning again.

 

[Foxholer]

Morikawa confirmed.....


He's staying on the PGA

I'm a little disappointed - but was surprised to see his name was on the list of 'deserters' in the first place.
It would certainly have shaken The PGA Tour administration leadership up, which for some reason, I'm a fan of.

 

[Deleted member 3432]

You can tell there's no football at present as the bickering has moved onto here....