If the PGA were not getting twitchy before then they surely must be now. You are really getting some big names and big players switching. It's starting to get real, even the naysayers must start to see that now.
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Swango1980
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You are unbelievable. It seems like you will make any excuse whatsoever as to why there is no concern for the PGA Tour when a big name player signs up to LIV.
Classic "nothing to see here" or burying your head in the sand syndrome.
I fully expected Brooks to sign up though, given my earlier comments.
Swango1980
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At this rate, it won't be long before LIV sign up Mbappe
The PGA Tour is certanly very concerned. Even if all the stars dont defect, their brand of presenting the best golfers in the world is harmed and a few more of the same level of player leaving, will mean the claim is gone. Their metaphorical stock has already fallen. Phil was passé anyway, and just Champions tour material. Buy Dustin, Bryson, and Brooks are still veryuch current top rank. Not having them devalues any PGA tour win.
Beezerk
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Who next, Paul Casey, Billy Horschel?
Not sure if it’s already been asked, will the LIV players be allowed to play in The Open this year? Thought I’d read somewhere the Scottish Open had blocked them.
Depreston
Club Champion
they’ll play in The Open they’ll take the same stance as US Open
scotch open is a co-sanctioned event with PGA Tour so they won’t be playing in that
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Deleted member 15344
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What’s your problem now ?
Is there anything incorrect in what I posted - what is your issue with people having different opinions to you , do you spend all day talking down to people
Has Koepka had injury issues - yes
Has he had to restrict the amount of events he can play - yes
Has he been out of limelight recently - yes
Koepka not being in a PGA tour event doesn’t bother me , Koepka was clearly rattled by all the comments before hand
Again I’m not bothered about him going , it’s no loss “IN MY OPINION” - just to help you understand that’s it’s about peoples opinions on the situation and you are no more right than the next person
When someone like Morikawa etc goes then I’ll stand up and take notice
They won’t be able to play in the Scottish due to it being Co sanctioned with the PGA
The Open they can play if they qualify same with the US Open etc
Depreston
Club Champion
Oh they’re twitchy but think they’ve decided who their prized assets are and who to keep happy
Brooks wouldn’t be on that list
Morikawa 100% will be
The narrative from the PGA is they’ve signed up the fading stars and the hard to work with villains
I think the PGA are panicking though but I can’t see them working with LIV
Swango1980
Well-known member
So, you are allowed an opinion (definitely so, you put it in capitals), but I am not!?
It is MY OPINION that you are unbelievable and you will dream up any excuse to deflect the importance / impact of a big name player signing up to LIV. Also, I'm not so bothered by what you think as an individual about other individual players staying or going. I'm more interested in the wider opinion of golf fans in general. Just because you or any other person does not like or care about a particular golfer does not mean that golfer has no appeal to the wider golfing world.
evemccc
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Two things:
1) A question geared towards - and about - general sports fans, rather than the die-hard fans of PGA Tour golf on TV every week…Do you think the average sports fan is aware of and regularly watches tennis outside of the 4 Majors? Who really cares about whether 1 or 2 stars aren’t playing in the Waste Management?
2) I keep thinking about the Netflix documentary on the PGA Tour….I can’t wait to watch it. But it was created to drum-up interest in the PGA Tour. How can they avoid talking about LIV Golf and the conversations amongst players and the media on the sidelines each week about who’s a part of it, who’s going across etc etc. Surely they can’t avoid it with all these defections…but I don’t see how it will be spun to portray Business as Usual with the Tour
1) A question geared towards - and about - general sports fans, rather than the die-hard fans of PGA Tour golf on TV every week…Do you think the average sports fan is aware of and regularly watches tennis outside of the 4 Majors? Who really cares about whether 1 or 2 stars aren’t playing in the Waste Management?
2) I keep thinking about the Netflix documentary on the PGA Tour….I can’t wait to watch it. But it was created to drum-up interest in the PGA Tour. How can they avoid talking about LIV Golf and the conversations amongst players and the media on the sidelines each week about who’s a part of it, who’s going across etc etc. Surely they can’t avoid it with all these defections…but I don’t see how it will be spun to portray Business as Usual with the Tour
pokerjoke
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100%
The tour is depleting slowly,but probably faster than some expected.
Some will be in denial until the last big name leaves.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Just looking at the PGA Tour winners so far this season (including Majors, excluding team pair events). They are:
Homa, Burns, Im, McIlroy, Matsuyama, Herbert, Hovland, Kokrak, Gooch, Cameron Smith, Swafford, List, Hoge, Scheffler, Niemann, Straka, Brehm, Ramey, Spaun, Spieth, Rahm, Lee, Thomas, Horschel and Fitzpatrick
Probably 16-18 names on that list that most fans don't really care much about, and could use the argument if those types of players signed up to LIV it would be no loss to the PGA Tour. Yet, if those players did sign up, you'd be losing 16-18 recent PGA Tour winners. For the golfers currently on the LIV, and therefore banned from the PGA, several of them could easily win future PGA Tour events. If they lined up in a tournament alongside many of the names on the list above, they would be considered much more likely to win by the bookmakers.
Homa, Burns, Im, McIlroy, Matsuyama, Herbert, Hovland, Kokrak, Gooch, Cameron Smith, Swafford, List, Hoge, Scheffler, Niemann, Straka, Brehm, Ramey, Spaun, Spieth, Rahm, Lee, Thomas, Horschel and Fitzpatrick
Probably 16-18 names on that list that most fans don't really care much about, and could use the argument if those types of players signed up to LIV it would be no loss to the PGA Tour. Yet, if those players did sign up, you'd be losing 16-18 recent PGA Tour winners. For the golfers currently on the LIV, and therefore banned from the PGA, several of them could easily win future PGA Tour events. If they lined up in a tournament alongside many of the names on the list above, they would be considered much more likely to win by the bookmakers.
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
I would say Brooks is 100% on that list.
If the big names leaves fans will ultimately go to fewer events Tiger woods not being at an event or being at an event could be a 30% swing.
Big names now are leaving and I bet the PGA are very worried imo.
pokerjoke
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3 massive names left in the PGA
Rory
Thomas
Scheffler
All others are just names
Rory
Thomas
Scheffler
All others are just names
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Rory does well considering he hasn't won a major in 8 years and how many major winners since him have left for Liv?
Yet their past it
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
I saw a lot of rumours flying around on twitter that Netflix were at the LIV event... No idea if its true though!
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Deleted member 15344
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Losing someone like Morikawa would be the stand up moment - he is very relevant , in the Top 5 , winning big comps right now with the golf world at his feet
If he moves over then the PGA May well look to change their stance - or they would just carry on removing their membership - they will protect themselves
The ranking points is key for the tours - that’s the door into the majors - they were talking about them one evening on the coverage and they heard whispers that they won’t give the points to events only based on 54 holes and with limited fields etc
if the events were given ranking points then it will be a game changer and also what happens with Ryder Cup points as well
General sports fans won’t watch much outside the majors and the Ryder Cup and that’s also the same for many golf fans as well - there will be plenty who don’t bother watching tour events - I don’t watch that many beyond the big tour events
Mel Smooth
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I'd add Rahm, and Zalatoris to that - he's become really popular in a short space of time but other than that, certainly for a lot of the US players who I have no affinity with, I'd agree that they are just names.
Not that long ago that Rory was struggling with his form, guaranteed if there'd been an option to defect to different tour, and he'd taken it, he'd have been labelled as past his best by some.
I'd add Rahm, and Zalatoris to that - he's become really popular in a short space of time but other than that, certainly for a lot of the US players who I have no affinity with, I'd agree that they are just names.
Not that long ago that Rory was struggling with his form, guaranteed if there'd been an option to defect to different tour, and he'd taken it, he'd have been labelled as past his best by some.
pokerjoke
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Going by all the ifs and buts you keep coming up with you could soon be eating humble pie.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
Using actual statistics (the PGA tours PIP payments) I would argue 4 of the "biggest" 10 players in golf have now left the PGA tour.
https://www.pgatour.com/news/2022/0...ogram-pip-phil-mickelson-finsihes-second.html
This obviously isnt a talent metric, but you cant ignore the fact that 4 of the top 10 most well known players on the planet have deferred to LIV.
