LIV Golf

[Arthur Wedge]

Well lets not forget, June 6th 2023 - it was agreed in principle to create an organisation that would oversee mens professional golf - with parties from all sides involved in overseeing it's operation.

This should be the bones of what is required but include those that operate the ladies game as well - a committee that take people from all the tours and implements a structure in which they can all operate without prejudice or favour.

And that all fell apart because they couldn’t agree to work together because they were prob all only looking after their own interests

The various tours didn’t want to stop what they are doing

Imagine regulatory comes in and tells PGAT you must play teams in each events or tells LIV you must get rid of the teams

Because of the structure of the tours the team element in LIV makes it hard to find some benchmark

LIV now have a base in regards ranking points to work from

 

[Mel Smooth]

And that all fell apart because they couldn’t agree to work together because they were prob all only looking after their own interests

The various tours didn’t want to stop what they are doing

Imagine regulatory comes in and tells PGAT you must play teams in each events or tells LIV you must get rid of the teams

Because of the structure of the tours the team element in LIV makes it hard to find some benchmark

LIV now have a base in regards ranking points to work from

Can I just take this opportunity to congratulate you Phil/Arthur - the man who has always maintained LIV was doomed to fail - for being the poster to take the thread to over 1000 pages...

 

[SteveW86]

Can I just take this opportunity to congratulate you Phil/Arthur - the man who has always maintained LIV was doomed to fail - for being the poster to take the thread to over 1000 pages...

And you got post number 20,000.

A pat on the back for you too

 

[BubbaP]

They make a formidable team!

 

[Mel Smooth]

And you got post number 20,000.

A pat on the back for you too

I'll be the one to make the 200,000th as well Steve.

 

[SteveW86]

I'll be the one to make the 200,000th as well Steve.

I love the commitment

 

[BubbaP]

I’m not sure how far down they go to award points - but I can see why they want to restrict it to 10 when they look at the way players have entered the league and also left

If the pathway was a bit more than just the 5 , if they didn’t replace players based on nationality etc then it might have been more

Also depth of the tour isn’t the same as others so I suspect 10 is a starting point and then see how LIV react

They made a few steps forward but also prob a step back as well

The Hero World has always been an embarrassment for owgr, but the Dubai invitational may be better to look at.

Field of 60, 58 completed more than 1 round

Forrest & Norris finish T20 and improve their ranking.
Old favourite Molinari finishes T47 and improves his ranking.

I'd agree LIV did some stuff with not great 'optics', but also acknowledge was within their published rules.

It's the ongoing double standards/hypocrisy that IMO doesn't look good for owgr. Why do they not become involved elsewhere?
Owgr should stick to ranking, not supervising when it suits them IMO.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Had anyone ever suggested 'get a room'?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The Hero World has always been an embarrassment for owgr, but the Dubai invitational may be better to look at.

Field of 60, 58 completed more than 1 round

Forrest & Norris finish T20 and improve their ranking.
Old favourite Molinari finishes T47 and improves his ranking.

I'd agree LIV did some stuff with not great 'optics', but also acknowledge was within their published rules.

It's the ongoing double standards/hypocrisy that IMO doesn't look good for owgr. Why do they not become involved elsewhere?
Owgr should stick to ranking, not supervising when it suits them IMO.

Don’t think many haven’t been critical of the Hero Challenge over the years , was a pure invitational but when they got ranking points it was poor, even when they put some qualification for the event ( ironically world ranking)

It shouldn’t get the points it does and think the Nedbank shouldn’t as well

But I think qualifying for the event is what helps

It was a good move forward for LIV to get some level of points but because of the stuff they highlighted they weren’t going to get the same as other because still not fulfilling criteria , think more players can get relegated this season , if those relegated are replaced by players on merit they could see the level of points changing


Ranking points will always be contentious-too long been weighted in favour of US events and it helped reduce the ET to what it is now

 

[AussieKB]

Don’t think many haven’t been critical of the Hero Challenge over the years , was a pure invitational but when they got ranking points it was poor, even when they put some qualification for the event ( ironically world ranking)

It shouldn’t get the points it does and think the Nedbank shouldn’t as well

But I think qualifying for the event is what helps

It was a good move forward for LIV to get some level of points but because of the stuff they highlighted they weren’t going to get the same as other because still not fulfilling criteria , think more players can get relegated this season , if those relegated are replaced by players on merit they could see the level of points changing


Ranking points will always be contentious-too long been weighted in favour of US events and it helped reduce the ET to what it is now

Are you feeling OK ??????

 

[doublebogey7]

Well lets not forget, June 6th 2023 - it was agreed in principle to create an organisation that would oversee mens professional golf - with parties from all sides involved in overseeing it's operation.

This should be the bones of what is required but include those that operate the ladies game as well - a committee that take people from all the tours and implements a structure in which they can all operate without prejudice or favour.

No it wasn't it was purely an agreement to bring the three tours (ET< PGAT & LiV) into a new cooperative. I don't see how such a body could then be used to regulate professional golf as a whole, given the new-co would have its own self interest.

 

[irip]

I'll be the one to make the 200,000th as well Steve.

In that case my money is on Phil having posts 199,999 & 200,001

 

[LincolnShep]

In that case my money is on Phil having posts 199,999 & 200,001

Whatever Mel puts in post 200,000, Phil will be quoting it in 200,001.

 

[Orikoru]

Top ten getting ranking points sounds fair to me. If you finish outside the top ten on a tour with only 4 good players left then you don't deserve any points.

 

[WGCRider]

I think points down to say 25 (44% of field) may have felt more appropriate and defendable.
As AW mentioned, feels a bit of a fudge as is.

I curious how you come to the view that awarding 44% of the field in a LIV even is "appropriate and defendable"?

Maybe for your reference in a PGA event I believe they award points to 17% of the field. Also some more info for you 17% of 57 = 9.69

 

[Neilds]

I curious how you come to the view that awarding 44% of the field in a LIV even is "appropriate and defendable"?

Maybe for your reference in a PGA event I believe they award points to 17% of the field. Also some more info for you 17% of 57 = 9.69

Not sure where you get your 17% from. All players who make the cut get points in a PGA tournament, so roughly 65 for a field of 144 which is about 45%

 

[Hobbit]

They make a formidable team!

 

[WGCRider]

Not sure where you get your 17% from. All players who make the cut get points in a PGA tournament, so roughly 65 for a field of 144 which is about 45%

 

[wjemather]

I curious how you come to the view that awarding 44% of the field in a LIV even is "appropriate and defendable"?

Maybe for your reference in a PGA event I believe they award points to 17% of the field. Also some more info for you 17% of 57 = 9.69

Even in the biggest fields (156) with the the fewest number of players making the cut (top 65 & ties), over 40% of the field earn points.
And well over 80% earn points in small-field no-cut signature events.

For example, last year:
The Sentry (small field, no cut): 51/59 (>86%)
The AmEx (big field): 71/156 (>45%)

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That chart shows the percentage of the total points allocation awarded by position for the leading places.

The standard points breakdown gives 16.29% (this is your 17%) of the total to the winner; 9.77% to the runner-up, 6.52% to third, etc.
The small field breakdown gives 20.75% of the total to the winner; 12.04% to the runner-up, 7.89% to third, etc.
The low field rated break down gives 26.18% of the total to the winner; 12.05% to the runner-up, 7.65% to third, etc.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018984756239863847

LIV cutting back the bonus to the winner from 18 mil to 6mil

Overall bonus put cut by 20mil

Are they looking to reduce outgoings ?