GM Gender Article

[virtuocity]

As an aside- there is no such thing as gender.

 

[Birchy]

I can't think of any reason why ladies can't play in the main club comps.

All tees should have the SSS calculated for each and away we go. This could also keep the older gents more competitive as they can struggle off the back tees.

Competitive players can play in whatever comps they want etc. Can't see many ladies wanting to play in the main comps but there will be some who are probably bored and want a bigger challenge etc.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I can't think of any reason why ladies can't play in the main club comps.

All tees should have the SSS calculated for each and away we go. This could also keep the older gents more competitive as they can struggle off the back tees.

Competitive players can play in whatever comps they want etc. Can't see many ladies wanting to play in the main comps but there will be some who are probably bored and want a bigger challenge etc.

Mods - Can I report this post, someone has hacked Birchy's account.

 

[huds1475]

It will be interesting how it works at Manchester, we have been drawn in the same group as them in the handicap shield for the 3rd year running so will be playing up there.

To be honest I can't see it making a massive amount of difference. I could be wildly off the mark but suspect it makes for more comp options, rather than free for all comps with people playing off any old tee.

If you're a fella who hits it like a girl it would mean you could play in 'short course' comps. Likewise, if you're a girl who hits it like a fella then there's no reason you couldn't play in the 'long course' comps.

Giving people more chances to play in comps that suit their ability is, in my opinion, only right. Making comps a baffling mathematical excercise would be a bit daft.

Would suspect that Saturday Comps / Qualifiers would likely be off the 'long course' tees. If you can manage it, then why not play in it.

More experiences from more articulate & seasoned golfers in the thread below...

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?80966-Gender-Free-Tees&highlight=gender+free+tees

 

[woody69]

All of our comps are mixed and it works well. Hopefully soon they will scratch the archaic gender specific tees and allow women and men to play from the same ones. All have a SSS/CSS calculated so it works fine for handicap comps. Scratch comps are different, and would agree with FD on her point regarding playing in those.

As an aside- there is no such thing as gender.

Gender is socially instilled rather than biologically determined, but so is religion. These conceptual systems are still real phenomena that affect people’s lives, even if they have nothing to do with our essential biology. Another way to think of it is in physical terms. A building is a construct. But it exists. It doesn’t have to exist. But it does exist because people created the building. Likewise, gender doesn’t have to exist, but it does exist because people created gender.

 

[virtuocity]

Another way to think of it is in physical terms.

Yes, this is another way to think about it. An entirely irrelevant way, but another way nonetheless.

 

[Qwerty]

Gender is socially instilled rather than biologically determined, but so is religion. These conceptual systems are still real phenomena that affect people’s lives, even if they have nothing to do with our essential biology. Another way to think of it is in physical terms. A building is a construct. But it exists. It doesn’t have to exist. But it does exist because people created the building. Likewise, gender doesn’t have to exist, but it does exist because people created gender.

I could help but read that in the Voice of Denzil Dexter off the Fast Show

 

[woody69]

Yes, this is another way to think about it. An entirely irrelevant way, but another way nonetheless.

Well perhaps you can enlighten us all with your statement that there is "no such thing as gender", when clearly there is.

 

[ShankyBoy]

I played with an older chap the weekend off the whites that had a 1/4 length back swing, who honestly hit it no further than 100-150 yards per shot (driver/hybrid every shot) and he scored 32 points off a 16 hc. He just hit it very straight (as you do with a 50cm swing) and was always on the green for 3-4 shots and one/two putted. Goes to show it's not all about how far you can belt it!

I think for anyone that isn't playing for scratch competitions, you have to realise it is impossible to make everything 100% fair, but what's right, is that everyone should be given the same opportunities to play in the Sunday comp, mid week comp or whatever, no exclusions to anyone as long as they have a handicap.

 

[North Mimms]

We have a womens evening on our shot 9 hole course, they get about 20-30 ladies play in this. there was also a group of male members on the patio outside the back bar, as we had just played a 4 somes match against another club, so about 20 guys there. The ladies asked for the men to go inside as the women didn't want to be watched tee'ing off. no comments had been made and i don't think a single guy was even looking that way. in fact there were even a couple of the guys wives playing. The ladies all upped sticks and walked to the 2nd tee, which is out of sight.

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Women doing stuff like this does us no favours.

I like playing with men (golf I mean!) and loads of men are quite happy to play golf with me.
But at my old club, we did have some mixed comps where a few men would only play if they were assured they wouldn't get drawn in a mixed group

 

[ShankyBoy]

Women doing stuff like this does us no favours.

I like playing with men (golf I mean!) and loads of men are quite happy to play golf with me.
But at my old club, we did have some mixed comps where a few men would only play if they were assured they wouldn't get drawn in a mixed group

It was probably due to previous incidents where they did get abuse. I know I've been there on the patio and the comments made towards the ladies coming in were quite frankly horrendous, all by older males.

 

[North Mimms]

It was probably due to previous incidents where they did get abuse. I know I've been there on the patio and the comments made towards the ladies coming in were quite frankly horrendous, all by older males.

Well, i would hope enlightened men sharing the patio would correct them.
We had a bloke asked to leave our club for such behaviour

 

[chellie]

Women doing stuff like this does us no favours.

I like playing with men (golf I mean!) and loads of men are quite happy to play golf with me.
But at my old club, we did have some mixed comps where a few men would only play if they were assured they wouldn't get drawn in a mixed group

Same for me including a regular partner who plays off 3. However, I don't enjoy the first at ours if the balcony and patio are crowded with men. Had a society group in a couple of years ago and they slow clapped me when I messed up my drive I just put another ball in play and creamed that one straight down the middle.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

1st tees where balconies exist are a bear pit for men and women. Men feel it just as badly, I can assure women of that. Balconies are best looking over the 18th green rather than the 1st tee.

 

[North Mimms]

Same for me including a regular partner who plays off 3. However, I don't enjoy the first at ours if the balcony and patio are crowded with men. Had a society group in a couple of years ago and they slow clapped me when I messed up my drive I just put another ball in play and creamed that one straight down the middle.

No first tee phases me since I had to do Captain's Drive In from the middle of a crowd of 60 hecklers.
Mind you, I had just downed a very large glass of wine in two gulps which helped!

 

[delc]

Same for me including a regular partner who plays off 3. However, I don't enjoy the first at ours if the balcony and patio are crowded with men. Had a society group in a couple of years ago and they slow clapped me when I messed up my drive I just put another ball in play and creamed that one straight down the middle.

All sounds very ungallant to me! I certainly wouldn't behave that way.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I played with an older chap the weekend off the whites that had a 1/4 length back swing, who honestly hit it no further than 100-150 yards per shot (driver/hybrid every shot) and he scored 32 points off a 16 hc. He just hit it very straight (as you do with a 50cm swing) and was always on the green for 3-4 shots and one/two putted. Goes to show it's not all about how far you can belt it!

32pts off 16hcp equates to 20 over par so I think to a certain extent how far you can belt it is important.