williamalex1
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Mine's too, :cheers:
Bandits a 3 o clock.
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DaveM
Tour Winner
Have to admit I always shoot well below my handicap at my father's course.
Got my first club h/c of 16 when I joined got this down to 10 in 6 months of comps. So guess it was pretty close.
Anyway had a day out at the old man's club. First round played more or less to h/c. After dinner another round I played to about a 5h/c. That evening played again played again with dad and my cousin(he is a pro golfer). With all the playing and practice that day. I had a great round and shot 6 under par. Never really played that well since. So I guess anyone can have the odd great round. Unless you you wanna call me Pancho?
Got my first club h/c of 16 when I joined got this down to 10 in 6 months of comps. So guess it was pretty close.
Anyway had a day out at the old man's club. First round played more or less to h/c. After dinner another round I played to about a 5h/c. That evening played again played again with dad and my cousin(he is a pro golfer). With all the playing and practice that day. I had a great round and shot 6 under par. Never really played that well since. So I guess anyone can have the odd great round. Unless you you wanna call me Pancho?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Golfer who loses matchplay cries foul shocker!
Wonder what the thread would have said if you had won and been 3 under par for a 6 h/capper?
My thoughts too!
Good to see the thread title is 'pluralised'!
Benign conditions?
I once snuck a win a semi-final on the 19th hole against a guy who had won the comp for the last 3 years. He suggested my (improving) handicap was too high!
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
yes; but you can also look at it that you are discarding a lot of potentially flawed scores (statistically speaking!)
i will admit it's over 30 years since I last studies stats at all but I seem to remember the relationship between how many and how flawed was a complex one!
currently there is at least the small field calc that kicks in to many lady and senior fields too
CONGU now has a huge bank of data that it can test so if it felt there was any benefit (ie it delivered a more robust outcome) they would/will change it.
finally it shouldn't be forgotten that SSS is Scr golfer derived so it doesn't make a huge amount of sense to alter it (CSS) based on the performance of cat 4 players performances on the day. Overall CSS is both one of the great strengths, and potential weaknesses, in the CONGU system. For elite, or even cat 1 fields, it's a fantastic normalisation tool and you can generally look at the course set up, conditions etc and predict accurately any changes - stick out a field of senior cat 3 players and their performance seems to have more to do with what time the comp tees off than the general conditions of the course!
Stuey01
Journeyman Pro
How do you prove it? Sounds like they've admitted it!
Evesdad
Tour Winner
I would live to be called a bandit! Means my hard work is finally paying off!!
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
these guys would need to have a seriously wrong handicap to make sure they will win a board comp. in a medal round. 1 shot here or there wont guarantee a win.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
That's what he's doing on both countsI think a lot of it is sour grapes as he's qualified for the Lombard Pro Am and his gross scores have been better than players off loads less
is this at dunham forrest? I have qualified for this too! :whoo: hope he is well cut before that
chellie
Tour Winner
is this at dunham forrest? I have qualified for this too! :whoo: hope he is well cut before that
He's playing at Lindrick. The Pro is hoping he doens't get any more cuts
Well done on qualifying as well
I'll clear up a few points, Nairn has no Scrambles but you can play an open scramble almost every week within 40 miles of Inverness.
Yes my score was quite good and the lad played well no doubt, but is not keen on strokeplay so hardly playes in any comps that will get a handicap cut. I was out in the 2nd round of the club champs yesterday and shot 84 gross and failed to qualify by a shot.
Also i had a few gimmies and he sank all his putts as it was on the whole to win that hole.
Sour grapes? more than likly, how would you feel playing out of your skin, giving your own handicap in shots away getting hammered. i think he would have still beaten me if we had played off scratch?
Yes my score was quite good and the lad played well no doubt, but is not keen on strokeplay so hardly playes in any comps that will get a handicap cut. I was out in the 2nd round of the club champs yesterday and shot 84 gross and failed to qualify by a shot.
Also i had a few gimmies and he sank all his putts as it was on the whole to win that hole.
Sour grapes? more than likly, how would you feel playing out of your skin, giving your own handicap in shots away getting hammered. i think he would have still beaten me if we had played off scratch?
D
Deleted member 15344
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Would shake his hands - congratulate him on playing very well - been happy with my own game that day and then look forward to the next time i play.
As opposed to coming onto a forum and accusing him of being a bandit just after being beaten.
So to you someone that can play well below handicap and only plays not qualifiers and scrambles, is not a bandit?
D
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He must play qualifiers to keep his handicap active. Someone may just play better in a matchplay situation - playing in scrambles is irrelevant because its a team event and has no bearing on any handicaps.
So yes i would say well done to him and look forward to my next game.
You played well below your handicap ( 8 or 9 shots ) - does that make you a bandit
if i hadn't played 30+ comps in the last year and 6 so far this season, where he hasn't played any this year and only the min last.
i would define a bandit as someone who maintains a higher handicap in order to win and only plays min amount of qualifiers.
D
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So he admitted that he maintains a high handicap just so he can beat people OR did he say he prefers playing matchplay over strokeplay ?
bobmac
Major Champion
I would define a bandit as someone who has just had a good day.
Someone who maintains a higher handicap in order to win and only plays min amount of qualifiers is cheating in my opinion
richy
Journeyman Pro
Are you serious about the first point?
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
I think a lot of these threads come about due to frustration with giving shots. Yes, we understand the need for handicapping but you need to try hard to keep your head straight when giving a lot of shots to someone who's having a good day. It is pretty demoralising playing someone who consistently hits greens in regulation when getting a stroke.
I lost a tie yesterday, giving nine shots. It was a good match played in a competitive but friendly spirit. My opponent was a friend I play with a lot, definitely not a bandit but she played about as well as I can remember. Scores don't count for much obviously but we were all square through 18 holes, I shot 72, 1 under handicap so played well but had little chance on several holes due to her being on the greens in net 1. I could play the best player in the country off scratch and not face that situation!
I lost on the first extra hole, a par five she hit in two shots. Effectively driving the green since I was giving her a shot. Well played her but very frustrating.
Clearly, the handicapping works to give a close match in the end but at points within the match you can't but get annoyed by it all.
I lost a tie yesterday, giving nine shots. It was a good match played in a competitive but friendly spirit. My opponent was a friend I play with a lot, definitely not a bandit but she played about as well as I can remember. Scores don't count for much obviously but we were all square through 18 holes, I shot 72, 1 under handicap so played well but had little chance on several holes due to her being on the greens in net 1. I could play the best player in the country off scratch and not face that situation!
I lost on the first extra hole, a par five she hit in two shots. Effectively driving the green since I was giving her a shot. Well played her but very frustrating.
Clearly, the handicapping works to give a close match in the end but at points within the match you can't but get annoyed by it all.
D
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Exactly :thup:
