2024 PGA Championship

[Imurg]

It's Arnie's fault.....
Let's go back to the Majors being the US and British Opens and Amateur Championships....

 

[BubbaP]

What is this reason? As I mentioned in a different thread, tennis grand slams are 5 sets as opposed to the week in week out 3 sets, snooker has longer matches int eh bigger competitions, same with darts. Why are majors considered different to the other golf played throughout the year? And history does not cut it with me as the right answer

At the moment they are run by organisations that do not run the main tours.
It's possible the tours might prefer it if the majors didn't exist.
A challenge is the co-sanctioning. A group could try to set up a new 'major' but the tours could block the players from playing in it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

What is this reason? As I mentioned in a different thread, tennis grand slams are 5 sets as opposed to the week in week out 3 sets, snooker has longer matches int eh bigger competitions, same with darts. Why are majors considered different to the other golf played throughout the year? And history does not cut it with me as the right answer

Well as with most sports the evolution of events and the sports help mould and dictate the big events

The majors are the events organised outside the tours

They were at the onset the two big am comps until the game become professional

The players that shaped the game decided that the events organised by the governing bodies that run the sport to be the majors

They stand alone outside any tour and are there for all to aim to win regardless of what tour the golfer is on

 

[4LEX]

Agreed. I’d do two things:-

1. Keep the PGA as the “good scoring” major. Move it around both the USA, Canada and the wider world and tighten up the entry criteria while doing do.

2. Introduce a new 5th major, the World Championship. To be held in the autumn on classic and cool modern courses, but ESPECIALLY NON-PARKLANDS, in Europe, SA, Latin America, Caribbean, Asia, Australia and NZ. Slightly smaller field of around 120 (daylight and quality) of the Top 100, plus a few winners and other invitees from the previous year. Top 60 and ties.

Why a 5th major? The game is harder and more competitive than ever, so it’s much more difficult to assess greatness, when virtually nobody can win much more than 4/5 majors, when previous eras had players winning 6, 7 and more.

Overall…

Masters: Augusta Major
PGA: Good Scoring Major
US Open: Toughest Test
The Open: GBI Links/Oldest Major
World: Global Champions Major

Be good to hear everyone’s thoughts…

I agree with the World Championship but adding a fourth major would devalue the previous majors IMO. Just scrap the PGA Championship as it's a nothing event.

Augusta has a long history and tradition. Plus a unique aspect in being played on the same course which is what makes it's special.
US Open is unique for it's incredibly tough set up and high winning totals.
The Open is obviously the original major, has history and played on links.

American PGA is nothing in comparison to those.

The World Championship could travel the world and stop off in the places you've suggested. It would help grow the game as more players from the host nation could qualify, instead of a load of American PGA pro's.

 

[evemccc]

I agree with the World Championship but adding a fourth major would devalue the previous majors IMO. Just scrap the PGA Championship as it's a nothing event.

Augusta has a long history and tradition. Plus a unique aspect in being played on the same course which is what makes it's special.
US Open is unique for it's incredibly tough set up and high winning totals.
The Open is obviously the original major, has history and played on links.

American PGA is nothing in comparison to those.

The World Championship could travel the world and stop off in the places you've suggested. It would help grow the game as more players from the host nation could qualify, instead of a load of American PGA pro's.

So if the PGA is not comparable, are we all ready to downgrade Rory’s Major haul to just two then: his Open and his US Open?….

 

[4LEX]

So if the PGA is not comparable, are we all ready to downgrade Rory’s Major haul to just two then: his Open and his US Open?….

You can't change the past, he beat what was infront of him so they stand but future winners obviously not.

The laughable thing is Americans referring to The Players as 'the fifth major' as if they haven't got enough already.

 

[Hobbit]

What is this reason? As I mentioned in a different thread, tennis grand slams are 5 sets as opposed to the week in week out 3 sets, snooker has longer matches int eh bigger competitions, same with darts. Why are majors considered different to the other golf played throughout the year? And history does not cut it with me as the right answer

Mmm, interesting question…

In terms of records, any changes would mean a new version of records. I guess that’s fine. I like the idea of having it over 6 rounds. It brings in a new differentiator. Yeah, why not.

And if the tour feels threatened, why not jazz it up…

 

[BubbaP]

I agree with the World Championship but adding a fourth major would devalue the previous majors IMO. Just scrap the PGA Championship as it's a nothing event.

Augusta has a long history and tradition. Plus a unique aspect in being played on the same course which is what makes it's special.
US Open is unique for it's incredibly tough set up and high winning totals.
The Open is obviously the original major, has history and played on links.

American PGA is nothing in comparison to those.

The World Championship could travel the world and stop off in the places you've suggested. It would help grow the game as more players from the host nation could qualify, instead of a load of American PGA pro's.

Isn't the PGA a fair bit older than the Masters?
Playing on the same course with a weak field could be argued makes the Masters most like a tour event.


Yeah add a fifth and do away with the tour championships

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Isn't the PGA a fair bit older than the Masters?
Playing on the same course with a weak field could be argued makes the Masters most like a tour event.


Yeah add a fifth and do away with the tour championships

Think the US PGA is 20 years old than the Masters

Started just before WW1

If there was to be a 5th major - who governs it ?

 

[4LEX]

Isn't the PGA a fair bit older than the Masters?
Playing on the same course with a weak field could be argued makes the Masters most like a tour event.


Yeah add a fifth and do away with the tour championships

Forget that, if you had a choice what you rather win if you were a pro? The Masters or a PGA Championship at a random course?

 

[4LEX]

Think the US PGA is 20 years old than the Masters

Started just before WW1

If there was to be a 5th major - who governs it ?

LIV? Would start out in Australia before rotating between Saudi Arabia and a Trump owned course

 

[Beezerk]

If there was to be a 5th major - who governs it ?

This forum of course

 

[BubbaP]

Forget that, if you had a choice what you rather win if you were a pro? The Masters or a PGA Championship at a random course?

Neither, one of the Opens
Not sure it really matters that much to them, they are all on the record books and open similar doors I would think.

 

[4LEX]

Neither, one of the Opens
Not sure it really matters that much to them, they are all on the record books and open similar doors I would think.

That's true they all open doors and count the same in record books. But lifetime membership at Augusta, the winners dinner, guarenteed entry until you can breath is pretty cool.

Toughest to win are definitely the two Opens due to the qualifying format and strength of field. I'd still take a Green Jacket over that though.

 

[Singlefiguregokfer]

I’d like to see the PGA go back to matchplay. That’d make it interesting again.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I’d like to see the PGA go back to matchplay. That’d make it interesting again.

I couldn't disagree more with that. There is nothing interesting about matchplay by the time you get to the final day. You get to see exactly how slow the pro's are without the ability to cut to other matches. You are also dependent on the final two playing well and closely in order to have a decent match to watch. No chance of someone from the group throwing in a low round to come and win on the final day of matchplay.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Interesting to see that the reports that the charges against Scheffler were getting dropped were innacurate - and the case is still proceeding.

What are people's thoughts on this - there seems to be a lot of opinion that it's the wrong decision, but having said that, should Scottie be afforded the privilege of getting the charges dropped because of who he is, or is it correct to go through a proper investigation and trial?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I couldn't disagree more with that. There is nothing interesting about matchplay by the time you get to the final day. You get to see exactly how slow the pro's are without the ability to cut to other matches. You are also dependent on the final two playing well and closely in order to have a decent match to watch. No chance of someone from the group throwing in a low round to come and win on the final day of matchplay.

Have to agree , whilst I enjoyed the WGC matchplay I don’t think it should be a major

But Matchplay should be used in a team format of some sort

 

[PaulMdj]

I’d like to see the PGA go back to matchplay. That’d make it interesting again.

How old are you? It was last played as Matchplay in 1957!!

 

[Beezerk]

Interesting to see that the reports that the charges against Scheffler were getting dropped were innacurate - and the case is still proceeding.

What are people's thoughts on this - there seems to be a lot of opinion that it's the wrong decision, but having said that, should Scottie be afforded the privilege of getting the charges dropped because of who he is, or is it correct to go through a proper investigation and trial?

He isn't above the law.