Will Scorecards For Comps Soon Be Redundant?

[User20204]

So entering your score via an app isn't an improvement on waiting in a que at a computer in your club, cool, stick to what you know, I'm gonna go with the new tech.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So entering your score via an app isn't an improvement on waiting in a que at a computer in your club, cool, stick to what you know, I'm gonna go with the new tech.

That improvement is not there yet - hasn’t been developed so how do you know it’s an improvement that justifies any cost implications.

I have seen people trying to use an online scoring AP and it’s more of a struggle than the PSI for them and that’s without having digital signing etc.

It takes me about a 1 minute to enter my score on the PSI

 

[doublebogey7]

I am the comp sec at our club and after each comp I count the returned cards see if they are signed etc etc.

I think that this could be done electronically, with electronic signatures, saving the need for players to input their score on the main terminal and comp secs the time in counting cards and time in finding out who hasn't returned a card.

Would this method be allowed under the current CONGU rules, and if so has any clubs used this method or thinking about it?

See post 311, I wouldn't wish to have to read the whole of this thread to get the answer to your original question which the majority of posts ignores.

Though it is allowed under the RoG it would rely on one of the Official ISV's developing the necessary technology, in order to satisfy CONGU. Apparently, ISV's are currently working on it for the WHS though there is no indication at the moment that it would be ready at implementation.

 

[clubchamp98]

Do you still get up out your chair to turn the telly over ?

Do you still go to a call box to make a call ?


I'm going to guess no is the answer to these questions yet they are perfectly appropriate to do the job.

The level of objection towards moving things on can surely only happen in this sport.

This is very true but some people still do ( my dad had a garden cane to push the buttons)
It will come eventually but what the younger lads grew up with is alien to a lot of us.
Some of the terms on this thread have gone over my head.
But let’s keep it civil lads.

 

[Foxholer]

I haven't read them with regards to scoring, my comment was just a response to people (more than one) who said it won't happen because of this rule and that rule.

Well I, for one, have 'amended' my view on that - given the adjustment to the Definition of 'Scorecard' in The Rules!

Interesting - if not portable - data input device in that IG blurb - a standard looking IG input device (about 5 ft high and less portable than a ack of spuds!). Obviously a long way off truly portable data entry (VPar equivalent) devices (or Phone App!) and no interface (yet) to actual handicap system. I don't see this happening until WHS is implemented - and probably a little while after that!

And the Comp Sec's checking role still won't have gone, though may be reduced!

 

[Golfman15]

I am not against technology and have a smartphone and a golf GPS that I use on just about every round I play.
My worry with electronic scoring is device failure during the competition. The added benefits tech brings to a situation need to be balanced against the risks. The main purpose of score cards is a cheap, reliable and universal system that whilst not foolproof does the job the vast majority of the time.
Tech is an added extra for me, I just don’t think it can currently do the core thing (the scoring) reliably enough

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

When replacing landline-based telephony with such as Skype it is usually sensible to keep a few landline telephones...

The old way of doing things will often always have it's place in the 'new' world.

 

[Orikoru]

When replacing landline-based telephony with such as Skype it is usually sensible to keep a few landline telephones...

The old way of doing things will often always have it's place in the 'new' world.

I haven't had a landline phone for almost a decade.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I haven't had a landline phone for almost a decade.

And if your mobile network goes down and you have an absolute need to maintain communications with the outside world?

Just saying that for business continuity purposes many business do not get rid of all of their landlines. Where the new technology has a number of risk and failure points a minimum level of the old technology is retained as it more robust.

And so I suggest it will be with electronic score cards. Because I do not disagree that at some point they will be the norm. But it may well be that in many circumstances we might take a card with us as a backup.

 

[Orikoru]

I still have a land line for my internet, the only callers are scammers and my mother in law.
With 5g promising high speeds and no need for a fixed line I'll happily take it at some point.
Pretty farcical some of the responses to the possibility of electronic scoring.

Yeah you need a line for your internet, I meant that I have not had a physical phone connected to the landline for a decade. Since I moved out from my parents'. I've just used my mobile number for everything.

 

[Orikoru]

And if your mobile network goes down and you have an absolute need to maintain communications with the outside world?

Just saying that for business continuity purposes many business do not get rid of all of their landlines. Where the new technology has a number of risk and failure points a minimum level of the old technology is retained as it more robust.

And so I suggest it will be with electronic score cards. Because I do not disagree that at some point they will be the norm. But it may well be that in many circumstances we might take a card with us as a backup.

Then I use WhatsApp via wifi. You could say the same of old phone systems if the phone network goes down, or there's a power cut and you can't use the handset.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why? Does your mobile phone stop working if the mobile network goes down?

If I lose signal I lose live connection to the outside world - and my wireless can also vanish. OK I might be able to play games on it...but only if the game doesn't require connectivity

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Then I use WhatsApp via wifi. You could say the same of old phone systems if the phone network goes down, or there's a power cut and you can't use the handset.

Most businesses that requires communication with the outside world will not rely on wireless and the mobile phone networks alone - and will have UPS backup for loss of power. I am not sure the last time the landlines and exchanges went down. Certainly doesn't happen as often as I lose signal or the network becomes congested...

I agree that electronic scorecards will most probably become the norm. And yes - loss of mobile signal will just mean that your score will only be held locally - for downloading later when back in clubhouse. And wifi out on the golf course? Maybe. But loss of connectivity means you lose one of the additional benefits of electronic scorecard - live scoring.

I suggest that we will almost always continue to carry a card - just in case. Maybe only one per playing group - but one will be to hand.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why would you carry a paper card? I don't currently carry a spare In case I lose or damage one at the moment.

Well I always do - in case the one I am recording a player's score on get's wet and unusable or I lose it. If you don't carry a spare what would you do? Record scores on your phone I guess?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Why would you carry a paper card? I don't currently carry a spare In case I lose or damage one at the moment.

No good in a medal if you lose the card you're marking.
You cary spare tees and balls I assume, how much space does an extra spare card or 2 take up in your bag?

 

[Orikoru]

How has this become about carrying a spare card? In the unlikely event that I lost my card I'd just pick up a new one when I got back to the pro shop, and fill it in by copying the numbers off the other players' cards.

 

[GB72]

A bit off topic and a long, long way down the line but can you ever see a time when a round of golf is pretty much self scoring. There are issues about penalty strokes, drops etc but the rudimental elements of this are already here with some GPS devices (admittedly still not accurately) recording strokes tee to green and some club inserts recording data. May never come in my lifetime but surely this is the end game, a round of golf that scores itself automatically. Not saying that this is something that would happen for many years but, if focused on, surely this could be part of golf in the future.

 

[Orikoru]

A bit off topic and a long, long way down the line but can you ever see a time when a round of golf is pretty much self scoring. There are issues about penalty strokes, drops etc but the rudimental elements of this are already here with some GPS devices (admittedly still not accurately) recording strokes tee to green and some club inserts recording data. May never come in my lifetime but surely this is the end game, a round of golf that scores itself automatically. Not saying that this is something that would happen for many years but, if focused on, surely this could be part of golf in the future.

Have you heard of PuttShack? It's crazy golf essentially, but using a similar technology to TopGolf, where the balls are tagged to each person electronically, you make your way around the crazy golf and never have to write down a score because the tagged ball knows when you've hit it and how many times - and the leaderboard for your group is put up on TV screens around you. So what you're talking about is only expanding that to real golf. Obviously it may require every golf ball manufacturer to start putting electronic chips in their balls though.

 

[GB72]

I thought about this too. Certainly the tech exists , how it would be implemented would be interesting. You already have clubs with built in sensors to detect strokes . I'm not sure we'll ever get to that degree , but tech had advanced so much in the last century or so, who knows what lies ahead.

The problem is always going to be the addition of penalty strokes, how it would record drops etc without adding strokes, that sort of thing. It is a long way off but not impossible. That said, this may require the scores to be uploaded in real time to an electronic device so as any penalties can be recorded at the end of a hole.

 

[ger147]

I have Shot Scope v2 and it normally takes me about 10 mins or so post-round editing to sort a round after I play. With current technology, you still have to sort out penalty shots, provisionals etc. and the odd missed shot. And while not directly related to scoring, the GPS isn't as accurate as you may think so often have to tweak shots e.g. the GPS thinks I was near the bunker where as in real life I was actually in the bunker.

So it's still very good tech but some way off being fit for being used to record scores that could be automatically submitted without being checked/edited first.