The SNIP

[patricks148]

To our Scottish posters, one question, first off, I believe it should be a decision for yourselves and yourselves only. Unfortunately, I don’t believe boris will consider it during this parliament.
Therefore, the question is as follows:

If boris gets the deal he wants/plans and it’s the success he believes and us leavers want, do you not think that could be the biggest threat to the SNP or do you believe that regardless of how Brexit goes the SNP will still want a 2nd referendum with the promise to go back in to the EU?

No.
he comes across as a vindictive spoilt child, and appears to want no deal what ever the cost, Industry and business don't want to leave, its not best for the Uk economy or Scotland.

what ever deal he does or doesn't won't benifit scotland, only Boris and the Tories...Scotlands future lies in its own hands not a westminster that only cares about the SE of England

 

[Hobbit]

Crikey! Let Scotland have the vote, and hope they gain independence. One of the provisions in the Act was a payment by England absolving England of all future debts payable to Scotland and gives Scotland no call on any assets.

And the winner is.... drum roll.... England.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I had a friend--a very close friend when we were young-- who, after his wife died, moved to Alabama with some new woman that he met on a holiday.
I refused to communicate with him further just for that alone. I permanently deleted his email address and mobile number.

You Scots and Englishman are as crazy as we are.

 

[Leftie]

........ Industry and business don't want to leave, its not best for the Uk economy or Scotland.

Whilst you (and other doomsayers) may be absolutely right Patrick, I think that the people who probably know a little more than us would disagree. I've just had a look at the FTSE indexes and see that all of them - FTSE 100, 250, 350, Small Caps, All Share etc - are at almost record highs. At least investors, fund manages, etc appear optimistic.

 

[KenL]

No.
he comes across as a vindictive spoilt child, and appears to want no deal what ever the cost, Industry and business don't want to leave, its not best for the Uk economy or Scotland.

what ever deal he does or doesn't won't benifit scotland, only Boris and the Tories...Scotlands future lies in its own hands not a westminster that only cares about the SE of England

Absolute nonsense.

 

[HankMarvin]

It might be obvious to you but it is not obvious to me.
Scottish people paying for infrasctructure improvements to the richest region in Europe makes no sense to me.
Please explain how Crossrail and HS2 will help the average Dundee citizen.

Has Dundee not just had millions spent on it ?

 

[HankMarvin]

People in Scotland were given the vote 5 years ago and there was a very clear outcome to remain.

For me, people up here don't know how lucky they are! Look at the advantages over rUK, free prescriptions, eyetests, dental check ups, free bus travel anywhere in the country for everybody who is 60), free university education, power to raise taxes for average earners etc.

How anyone thinks things would be better as an independent country is beyond me.

The only thing about living in Scotland I don't like is having to living with the stress of the constant banging on by the SNP about independence!

Well said.

We had a vote and the majority of the Scottish people voted to remain. Time for the SNP to get over it and move on with the real day job of running the country and sort out all their failing.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Scots Labour party floating the idea of independence from the UK Labour party.
Brave move from a party with the same number of Westminster MP's as the Greens.
I think within the year they will be full Monty Independence, either that or oblivion.

 

[Fade and Die]

Scots Labour party floating the idea of independence from the UK Labour party.
Brave move from a party with the same number of Westminster MP's as the Greens.
I think within the year they will be full Monty Independence, either that or oblivion.

What would Scots Labour offer that Westminster Labour cannot, Is it just indyref?
I was wondering if the Scots Con split from Westminster, but had a supply and confidence agreement with the main party if they would be more popular up their?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Ah yes, I must remember I can call anyone anything I want as long as I love them.

If you feel someone is a "wormtongue" you take them to one side and have a quiet word with them. You don't call them out in public. Have you never had a manager commit the cardinal sin of embarrassing you in front of others? And how well was that received?

Very, very disappointing.

If it necessary to call out someone like Cummings for the inappropriate influence he has - as an unelected advisor - then you do it.

I 100% agree with your comment in respect of those I can have direct contact with - but I do not have that with someone like Cummings so I do not think it inappropriate to characterise him as I see fit. Do we never refer to someone as a Jeremiah; or a Doubting Thomas; or a Jezebel; or a Judas? We do so because these references characterise the individual as we see appropriate.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

What would Scots Labour offer that Westminster Labour cannot, Is it just indyref?
I was wondering if the Scots Con split from Westminster, but had a supply and confidence agreement with the main party if they would be more popular up their?

Problem is that folk don't look at the big picture.
After independence there will be no need for the SNP [just like Brexit/UKIP parties in UK]. They will need to revolve into a new party, probably merge with Greens,
Labour, Liberals and the Tories have been out of power for so long that the quality of their MSP's and MP's is very low. I would find it hard to name a decent one.

They did a poll about politician recognition a while ago and the numbers who recognised the leaders of the four opposition parties in Scotland was very low.
I bet few on here could name the leaders of the Scottish parties, Nicola exempted.
Tory party seem best placed to advance in those circumstances Labour will struggle and Greens will gain.

 

[drdel]

If it necessary to call out someone like Cummings for the inappropriate influence he has - as an unelected advisor - then you do it.

I 100% agree with your comment in respect of those I can have direct contact with - but I do not have that with someone like Cummings so I do not think it inappropriate to characterise him as I see fit. Do we never refer to someone as a Jeremiah; or a Doubting Thomas; or a Jezebel; or a Judas? We do so because these references characterise the individual as we see appropriate.

IMO 'calling some-one out' (exposing their failings/behaviour etc.) is a world away from the juvenile insult of name calling.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Problem is that folk don't look at the big picture.
After independence there will be no need for the SNP [just like Brexit/UKIP parties in UK]. They will need to revolve into a new party, probably merge with Greens,
Labour, Liberals and the Tories have been out of power for so long that the quality of their MSP's and MP's is very low. I would find it hard to name a decent one.

They did a poll about politician recognition a while ago and the numbers who recognised the leaders of the four opposition parties in Scotland was very low.
I bet few on here could name the leaders of the Scottish parties, Nicola exempted.
Tory party seem best placed to advance in those circumstances Labour will struggle and Greens will gain.

But the vote was against Independence? ?

And why do we need to know the leaders of parties that have no relevance to the majority

 

[Hobbit]

If it necessary to call out someone like Cummings for the inappropriate influence he has - as an unelected advisor - then you do it.

I 100% agree with your comment in respect of those I can have direct contact with - but I do not have that with someone like Cummings so I do not think it inappropriate to characterise him as I see fit. Do we never refer to someone as a Jeremiah; or a Doubting Thomas; or a Jezebel; or a Judas? We do so because these references characterise the individual as we see appropriate.

First of all I think you have a very warped view in that respect. Just because you don't know a person personally makes it alright? No it doesn't. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour.

If you want to say Cummings is, for example, duplicitous or conniving, fine. Although I might ask the question, where is the proof that he has said/formulated/directed a particular policy. Where is the evidence he's been inappropriate? But name call...?

You've griped about the Wee Krankie slight but you're ok with calling someone Wormtongue? Mmm, double standards, hypocritical? You can't have it both ways. How does that make you look? I think the responses from others pretty much answers that.

 

[SocketRocket]

If it necessary to call out someone like Cummings for the inappropriate influence he has - as an unelected advisor - then you do it.

I 100% agree with your comment in respect of those I can have direct contact with - but I do not have that with someone like Cummings so I do not think it inappropriate to characterise him as I see fit. Do we never refer to someone as a Jeremiah; or a Doubting Thomas; or a Jezebel; or a Judas? We do so because these references characterise the individual as we see appropriate.

When you slander him as an unelected advisor I assume you will extend your insults to all those in the diplomatic service who are also unelected.

 

[Jacko_G]

Descended into an attack on a man's faith now I see.

Very poor thread this. A man gets banned for showing passion and Lazarus rises again. Dear oh dear what an absolute embarrassment of a thread fuelled by a few utter trolls.

 

[KenL]

Who got banned?

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

This whole thing is going far over my head, and I shouldn't stick my nose in.

But you've got such a lovely nation.
You've got a great NHS.
You've got good schools.
You have low crime.
You've got proud cities and lovely towns.

You've even got all the American fast food chains right outside of Windsor Castle.

The kind of bickering taking place belongs here in the US where different factions genuinely loathe each other.

I would think that the UK is a great place to live, or would be as soon as you learn how to cook.

I certainly enjoyed it while I was there.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

IMO 'calling some-one out' (exposing their failings/behaviour etc.) is a world away from the juvenile insult of name calling.

Do you actually know who Grima Wormtongue is and the context in which I think that he is an appropriate characterisation for Cummings. Maybe you think I just made up the word ‘wormtongue’ as it sounds like juvenile name calling. But if you don’t know him from LotR maybe check him out before attacking me for name-calling.

Or maybe I just call him a weirdo misfit as these are the sort of folks he wants to be working with?

 

[patricks148]

This whole thing is going far over my head, and I shouldn't stick my nose in.

But you've got such a lovely nation.
You've got a great NHS.
You've got good schools.
You have low crime.
You've got proud cities and lovely towns.

You've even got all the American fast food chains right outside of Windsor Castle.

The kind of bickering taking place belongs here in the US where different factions genuinely loathe each other.

I would think that the UK is a great place to live, or would be as soon as you learn how to cook.

I certainly enjoyed it while I was there.

when you say learn to cook do you just mean deep fry everything and then cover it in cheese thats isn't really cheese, but more like some sort of plastic??

i think we have some great Chef's the US on the other hand has some cooks