The SNIP

[SocketRocket]

Help me understand.

Is the big objection to remaining with Brussels based largely on Muslim immigration? What are the other factors? We're so hopelessly screwed up over here that I don't have a chance to concentrate on your issues.

We dont get much Muslim immigration from the EU. Its simply a matter of whether you want to take full control over the way your country is governed or are content with being a part of a group who wants its member states to become ever closer integrated in law, finance, trade, defence and borders. Its a bit like asking USA citizens to become members of a new state that includes Canada and all the South American countries where central control would be somewhere like Mexico and you would have open borders so anyone would have the right to move to any of the countries and your laws would be subject to being overturned by the Union.

 

[SocketRocket]

Post 841, it's just petty.

Oh yes, missed that. Yes it is.

 

[Hobbit]

Do you understand thne difference between name calling and characterisation - just go read LotR if you don't know who Wormtongue is - and I was referring to Cumming btw - and he no politician.

If you wish a Christian 'maxim' for this context, then it is that you fearlessly call out individuals for what they are. That does not stop you loving them, forgiving them and praying for them - these as you will know are some of the key 'maxims' of Christianity.

Ah yes, I must remember I can call anyone anything I want as long as I love them.

If you feel someone is a "wormtongue" you take them to one side and have a quiet word with them. You don't call them out in public. Have you never had a manager commit the cardinal sin of embarrassing you in front of others? And how well was that received?

Very, very disappointing.

 

[patricks148]

Re Indy ref 2, to me, it is not the right time. Regardless of whether it is the right time for Scotland or not.

Why? Because I would rather our politicians, civil service, negotiating teams were concentrating on Brexit, getting the best divorce, the best trade deals, etc. These negotiations will be on going for ages, and will require 100% effort. There is simply not the slack required to campaign during indy ref 2, and not the capacity to even think about how a break up would work.

It is easy to say that the details can be banged out later, but given the mess that is Brexit, this is plainly not true. People need to know exactly what they are voting for, or there will be calls for a 3rd vote.

I am not sure when the right time will be though!

luckily its not your decision a bit like it wasn't scotlands to leave the EU

it should be Scotlands choice and no one elses

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

We dont get much Muslim immigration from the EU. Its simply a matter of whether you want to take full control over the way your country is governed or are content with being a part of a group who wants its member states to become ever closer integrated in law, finance, trade, defence and borders. Its a bit like asking USA citizens to become members of a new state that includes Canada and all the South American countries where central control would be somewhere like Mexico and you would have open borders so anyone would have the right to move to any of the countries and your laws would be subject to being overturned by the Union.

I didn't realize the EU was that encompassing.

 

[SocketRocket]

I didn't realize the EU was that encompassing.

It wasnt when we joined it but over time it has become much more than a trading block and more of a federal state of Europe.

 

[USER1999]

luckily its not your decision a bit like it wasn't scotlands to leave the EU

it should be Scotlands choice and no one elses

Why? We would all be affected by it, so if the time for the rest of the UK, the vast majority in the UK, is really really not the right time, why should it be up to the Scottish when it is held? It is like sneakingbit in while everybody else has their back turned, working on something else. Something that for the majority in the UK is more important.

 

[azazel]

Why? We would all be affected by it, so if the time for the rest of the UK, the vast majority in the UK, is really really not the right time, why should it be up to the Scottish when it is held? It is like sneakingbit in while everybody else has their back turned, working on something else. Something that for the majority in the UK is more important.

Scotland can only “ask” to leave at a time that suits England? Jings! That’s some “union”.

 

[USER1999]

Can you not see that now is probably the worst time you could chose?

 

[azazel]

Can you not see that now is probably the worst time you could chose?

Every minute not spent leaving is a minute wasted imo.

 

[patricks148]

Scotland can only “ask” to leave at a time that suits England? Jings! That’s some “union”.

esp as no one asked Scotland if they wanted to leave the EU, then ignored its opp anyway

 

[patricks148]

Why? We would all be affected by it, so if the time for the rest of the UK, the vast majority in the UK, is really really not the right time, why should it be up to the Scottish when it is held? It is like sneakingbit in while everybody else has their back turned, working on something else. Something that for the majority in the UK is more important.

same as scotlands opinion to leaving the UK, Scotland said in the last GE it didn't back where the tory's wanted to take the UK so we want out simple as.

as far as Scotland is concerned it couldn't be a better time

 

[USER1999]

So if Indy ref 2 is granted tomorrow, I guess as it's only a Scotyish issue, only Scottish politicians would be on the campaign trail?
No. People would expect Westminster politicians to campaign in Scotland, and put forward their plans etc, lies or not, to keep the union together.
So what happens to Brexit? Which if Indy ref 2 fails to get independence, may turn out to be quite important.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

To our Scottish posters, one question, first off, I believe it should be a decision for yourselves and yourselves only. Unfortunately, I don’t believe boris will consider it during this parliament.
Therefore, the question is as follows:

If boris gets the deal he wants/plans and it’s the success he believes and us leavers want, do you not think that could be the biggest threat to the SNP or do you believe that regardless of how Brexit goes the SNP will still want a 2nd referendum with the promise to go back in to the EU?

 

[Fade and Die]

luckily its not your decision a bit like it wasn't scotlands to leave the EU

it should be Scotlands choice and no one elses

And the biggest irony is the only chance you have of achieving “independence” is if you include the (hated) English in the vote! ???

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

To our Scottish posters, one question, first off, I believe it should be a decision for yourselves and yourselves only. Unfortunately, I don’t believe boris will consider it during this parliament.
Therefore, the question is as follows:

If boris gets the deal he wants/plans and it’s the success he believes and us leavers want, do you not think that could be the biggest threat to the SNP or do you believe that regardless of how Brexit goes the SNP will still want a 2nd referendum with the promise to go back in to the EU?

Your Boris may or may not be the despicable cretin that our Donald is--I certainly wouldn't know--but he certainly needs a new barber just as much.

 

[Fade and Die]

esp as no one asked Scotland if they wanted to leave the EU, then ignored its opp anyway

The first thing you/the snp need to do is respect the sovereignty of the U.K. and accept the vote. Seems odd you want us (the rUk) to respect your sovereignty but you refuse to accept ours? ?

 

[Andy]

Your Boris may or may not be the despicable cretin that our Donald is--I certainly wouldn't know--but he certainly needs a new barber just as much.

Both comb their hair with a firework.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

esp as no one asked Scotland if they wanted to leave the EU, then ignored its opp anyway

We are/were a member of the EU as the United Kingdom

The people of the United Kingdom were asked if they wanted to leave or stay

Scotland are not in the EU as their own country so why would they be asked as “Scotland” to stay in the EU

If Scotland want to be in the EU as their own country they first need to split from the UK - I believe last time they said they didn’t want to do that

And if they are to leave they need to ask to join the EU and provide assurances they can stand on their own two feet within the EU and of course pay for their way.

 

[SocketRocket]

esp as no one asked Scotland if they wanted to leave the EU, then ignored its opp anyway

If no one asked Scotland if they wanted to leave the EU then how could they ignore it's opinion? Come on help me here.