LOl, almost double what the next party vote 45% of the vote, so wrong to say they are not popular, still larger % voted SNP that voted Tory in the elections
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99.99% of expats here in Spain have retained their British nationality. Every single one of them will be affected by Brexit, the affect being dependent on age. Below 60's will need private healthcare @ around £1500 a year. Pensioners will have their state pension frozen after 2 years. All will need to update their Residencia to 3rd country status. All of them pay tax in Spain, and some still in the UK too.
Do you think the Westminster govt will give Scot expats a 'free ride' if Indy happens?
UK expats can vote in UK elections for up to 15 years after they leave the UK but didn't get a vote on the very thing that affects them the most.
Fade and Die
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But 55% of people DIDN’T vote for the SNP. So my point is valid.?
Btw...The SNP vote is exactly the same share wise as the 2014 independence referendum. So their claim to have a mandate for indyref2 is also bull
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Fade and Die
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57% of people didn't Vote Tory either. so they are more unpopular
but to say the SNP isnt popular is Scotland is crazy.
not to forget the maj of the population didn't vote for Brexit in the ref, but its still the "will of the people"
so your point just isn't, all you are doing is trolling
In your opinion LT's answer is correct.
As for moving back; we can afford the healthcare etc, many can't. Decisions made in the UK affected Brits abroad some of which still pay tax in the UK. You think one thing, I think another... both are just opinions.
SocketRocket
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I can understand expats having concerns but arnt there reciprocal agreements for EU citizens in the UK and EU? I guess after the end of the transition British Citizens in EU countries will have similar rights or maybe even better than those living in the rest of the world.
Fade and Die
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Not trolling at all Patrick, just highlighting the fact that the SNP only needed to get 45% of the vote to secure 81% of the seats. Such is the way of first past the post voting systems. Nowhere near as popular as the headline shouts.
Fade and Die
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Yes of course in my opinion.
There are reciprocal agreements in place now but at present no agreements post-Brexit. Spain have offered terms, unilaterally of the EU, but the UK hasn't reciprocated and Spain are threatening to withdraw the offer.
azazel
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They have plenty mandate, which was actually established well before the most recent general election when the Scottish Parliament voted in March 2017 to have a second referendum.
chrisd
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when the SP adopted the usual EU election rules of "keep voting until the public finally vote for what we wanted them to vote for"
Fade and Die
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Hmm...So they lost the once in a generation referendum in 2014 and have not increased their vote share at all since then, plus the overwhelming majority of opinion polls since the EU referendum also show a persistent, if small, majority in favour of staying in the UK. but now somehow you think they have a mandate for another go?... C’mon mate give your head a wobble.
azazel
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No, the SNP adopted “the usual” plan of “let’s put independence in our manifesto and if we are able to form a government then we’ll pursue that goal“. The SNP have won every election in Scotland in recent times and on each and every occasion they have stood on a commitment to independence, giving them every entitlement to pursue a second referendum. It’s not hard to understand unless you choose not to...
azazel
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If they keep winning elections and forming a Scottish government with independence in their manifesto then they’re perfectly entitled to pursue another referendum.
It’s telling that very few people can come up with a decent reason against indyref2 and instead hide behind this “once in a generation” nonsense. If there’s a genuine belief that Scotland would vote no again then what’s to be afraid of?
Fade and Die
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If the majority of Scots want a second referendum then that's fine but i don't believe that's the case, Its just the divisive SNP whipping up something thats not true and will be damaging to Scotland... In the great words of Public Enemy, "Don't Believe The Hype"
Relatives told me just how much their community was affected last time and they dread a repeat.
Does every single voter agree with every single item on a manifesto? Do even the majority of voters agree with every single item on a manifesto? Did a majority of voters agree with the independence item on the manifesto? Was every Remain voter in Scotland an SNP voter?
Only a blind, stupid idiot would answer yes to any of the above.
The temperature is high at present, and I’d say now is the time for a vote. Go for it. But let’s not cloud that call with silly blanket statements like every SNP supporter wants independence.
Doon frae Troon
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You have no idea how Scots would vote in a Referendum as opposed to a Westminster election. No one does.
Tactical voting was all over the place. One party stood on a no Indyref2 platform and lost heavily.
Yet you keep displaying your flawed views.
Fade and Die
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What flawed views?
You state "You have no idea how Scots would vote in a Referendum as opposed to a Westminster election. No one does."...well we can have a good guess can't we? Scotland voted NO in 2014, and there is no evidence that the SNP have increased there support. All the polls suggest that Scotland wants to remain part of the UK.
The labour vote has collapsed in Scotland. (I don't know why, I haven't read up on it) The SNP vote went up 8% this time while the Labour vote fell 8.5% so it looks like many voters that rejected Labour couldn't bring themselves to vote Con or LD so they switched to SNP. but total support was only 45% (same % as indyref1) so its hardly a ringing endorsement for another divisive Ref is it?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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You are correct in all but one thing - we have plans to move to Edinburgh or vicinity within the next 2yrs.
Note that my suggestion is that an ex-pat vote would NOT count towards the result - but could be used in some way as a form of 'tie-breaker' were the result of the vote very close. And that way could, just for instance, be that a narrow Yes vote would have to be confirmed by a Yes vote of say 60/40 by the ex-pat electorate.
And as I also noted I suspect that the ex-pat vote is currently the other way round - probably quite strongly No. I'd be interested in any survey of Scots ex-pats that showed what our vews currently are.
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