The SNIP

[Doon frae Troon]

No such thing, it is British oil. Explored and extracted with British and American money. You profited from it plenty with increased industry in relation to it and you profited exponentially Via a wealthier U.K. through the Barnet formula.

if your heed wasn’t so full of Nationalist nonsense you would see as a country Scotland is doing pretty well. After all it was you saying you need cheap foreign workers to do the excessive graft for you during the Brexit debate wasn’t it? I bet most of the EU countries that you so desire to be part of would love to be in your position.

Aye just imagine how better Scotland would be by being constantly propped up by an even richer rUK.
PS Nobody mentioned cheap labour.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I see that English, Scottish, and Northern Irish flags are represented in the Union Jack, but nothing resembling the Welsh flag.
Is Wales seeking independence as well?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do jobs not transfer?

MOD jobs, etc they not transferrable. Will cost billions to move and store trident.

Get JocXit done.


Couldn't care less what you or others think. Governing our own country is the only way forward and it will happen. Possibly not in my lifetime sadly but Scotland needs away from England.

The ones employed by the MOD “if” there is somewhere for Trident to be housed elsewhere- but what about the residual W affects to the local economy ? The facilities jobs for locals , the local shops , pubs and other amenities that rely on the base - up to 10,000 people rely on that base.

And that’s without forgetting the NATO treaties etc.

 

[Jacko_G]

The ones employed by the MOD “if” there is somewhere for Trident to be housed elsewhere- but what about the residual W affects to the local economy ? The facilities jobs for locals , the local shops , pubs and other amenities that rely on the base - up to 10,000 people rely on that base.

And that’s without forgetting the NATO treaties etc.

And how many locally?

A few admin and cleaning staff.

Hence why it'll cost England billions to house Trident in English waters. Therefore will a deal be done, will they decommission Faslane? Huge headache for Westminster.

Local economy like a lot of places will suffer an initial loss of income/revenue.

 

[Leftie]

I'm not understanding this thread. I thought it was about vasectomy.

It is, in a way. Perform the cut - result impotence

 

[USER1999]

Lets face it, those mars bars arnt going to fry themselves.

These will be the mars bars made in Slough that will have to be smuggled across the border to avoid import duty. After all, we will no doubt tax the heck out of short bread, and, and, stuff. Oh, Tunnocks igloos or some such.

 

[Dando]

These will be the mars bars made in Slough that will have to be smuggled across the border to avoid import duty. After all, we will no doubt tax the heck out of short bread, and, and, stuff. Oh, Tunnocks igloos or some such.

Don’t forget men’s skirts and irn bru

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And how many locally?

A few admin and cleaning staff.

Hence why it'll cost England billions to house Trident in English waters. Therefore will a deal be done, will they decommission Faslane? Huge headache for Westminster.

Local economy like a lot of places will suffer an initial loss of income/revenue.

Believe the base employs thousands locally and it’s one of if not the biggest employer in the local area - more than a few admin and cleaning staff

And it’s not just “initial” loss - it’s permanent loss because I fail to see what can replace that level of employment

They won’t decommission is and it will just stay at Faslane as part of the UK Armed Forces along with all the other vital UK Armed Forces bases around Scotland

But I think most know that the backing for independance hasn’t increased since the last time they were asked and said no

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I see that English, Scottish, and Northern Irish flags are represented in the Union Jack, but nothing resembling the Welsh flag.
Is Wales seeking independence as well?

Technically Wales is a principality, not a country. It is like Monaco in that sense. As such it did not get a place on the flag. Please note, everyone in the UK regards Wales as a country, this is a historical blip.

If Scotland does go independent it gives an opportunity to correct this, imo, although saying that flags are so symbolic that whether the flag changes is open to debate.

The demand for Welsh independence is pretty limited largely due to economic reasons. Put simply Wales is not economically viable and the people of Wales know this. It has it's own parliament, a fair degree of devolved decision making, language and signs throughout Wales are in both English and Welsh. I've no doubt the Welsh would ultimately like independence but it is not really a talking point, unlike Scotland.

 

[USER1999]

The flag thing is interesting, and to me, if Scotland leave, the blue bits on the flag need to go. It is the flag of the union, and they won't be in it. Update it, why not? Not sure what Welsh bits could be added though. Some green bits?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The flag thing is interesting, and to me, if Scotland leave, the blue bits on the flag need to go. It is the flag of the union, and they won't be in it. Update it, why not? Not sure what Welsh bits could be added though. Some green bits?

Maybe we need a complete rethink of the flag, not be restrained by the current design. I think that would make more sense.

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

The flag thing is interesting, and to me, if Scotland leave, the blue bits on the flag need to go. It is the flag of the union, and they won't be in it. Update it, why not? Not sure what Welsh bits could be added though. Some green bits?

And a little dragon in the corner somewhere?

 

[KenL]

The Westminster Government had a real chance to show Scotland what it meant in the words of the 2014 Vow to the nation.
Instead they ignored every promise and then declared what is basically an English parliament within Westminster.
We now know where we stand and another 10 years of right wing Tory broken promises to Scotland is not on our agenda

Could you enlighten us. What are the broken promises?

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

I understand that the Conservatives do better in England than they do in Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales, but they don't do well in London, do they?
Republicans can't win a school committee seat in our major cities. Unfortunately, our whole country isn't major cities. I wish it were. I'd be happy to import food.

 

[Dando]

Could you enlighten us. What are the broken promises?

Don’t expect an answer

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Could you enlighten us. What are the broken promises?

Go into Google type in 'The Vow Scottish Independence 2014' and fill your boots

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Don’t expect an answer

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...-together-campaign-revealed-independence-day/

 

[Hobbit]

Could you enlighten us. What are the broken promises?

Don’t expect an answer

There's a list of 17 broken promises being touted by Indy supporting press, some I'd say are stretching it but some I'd say are genuine broken promises. The obvious one being the only way for Scotland to guarantee continued membership of the EU is to vote "no" for independence. It could be argued the Scotland retained membership of the EU, post-Indy vote.... but only for 4 years. Its semantics but it depends on your own interpretation. Was the promise broken? No more so than the SNP's, "its a once in a generation vote."... open to interpretation and spin.

A more obvious broken promise was the only way to guarantee funding for the renewable energies, and the funding for the carbon capture plant at Peterhead. Funding for both was either drastically reduced or, as for Peterhead, cut completely which led to the shelving of the project.

A stupid promise, and it seems hard to believe that some people were/are gullible enough to believe it, was the only way to protect steel jobs was to vote "no." Within months 250 steel jobs were lost. The reality for anyone with intelligence was that Westminster didn't have the power to stop a private company from making people redundant. But its fodder for the Indy propaganda mill.

From what I can remember, there was also promises of new devolved powers. Vaguely... I think the Bill in Westminster was watered down before the vote on it. You'd have to research it but if my memory isn't too fuddled I'd say there's a broken promise in there somewhere.

 

[PNWokingham]

Go into Google type in 'The Vow Scottish Independence 2014' and fill your boots

Happy New Year. The more i read what you say, it is definitely influincing me in favour of independence!!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

View from an SNP voter in a house just outside Aberdeen this morning was how there is a widespread detestation of Johnson, Gove and Rees Mogg - they typify for many Scots all that they dislike in people; and that Sturgeon has to be careful not pushing too hard in 2020 - she needs to let things pan out - but she has a tricky balancing act with many SNP voters not wanting Scotland to be in the EU.