The Footie Thread

[Bdill93]

It looks like he is going to Ipswich now. Thanks for the review though. That is the sort of level we are at right now, the will he or wont he make it player

Yeah im not sure he would be the messiah, he's a decent enough player but he's had his chances for Villa and not taken them.

 

[Tashyboy]

Lots of discussion re why the goal scorer was not booked last night. There’s a lot of opinions and even more rose tinted glasses. However whether you like it or not. This probably ( and I say probably as some still won’t accept it) explains why play was not stopped for a booking.
From the BBC

Already on a booking, Bergvall brought down Tsimikas but play continued with Liverpool retaining possession.

However, Tsimikas was then off the pitch receiving treatment when Bergvall scored to seal a 1-0 first-leg victory for Spurs.

The International Football Association Board's Laws of the Games state: "If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play.

"However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goalscoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned."

The crucial part of the above is the final sentence. The offence - the foul by Bergvall - was interfering with a promising attack.

If referee Stuart Attwell did indeed play advantage then, applying the above, he did not have to go back and caution Bergvall.

But the laws also state "advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play, violent conduct or a second cautionable offence unless there is a clear opportunity to score a goal."

Was this a clear opportunity to score? Debatable.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It looks like he is going to Ipswich now. Thanks for the review though. That is the sort of level we are at right now, the will he or wont he make it player

He looked like he was a player that could be sold to help PSR

 

[Lord Tyrion]

He looked like he was a player that could be sold to help PSR

Definitely. In the past he would have been kept on, maybe sent on loan again. You would see if he developed and could be of use. Now, clubs have to sell this type of player, risking losing a good one. I get that it stops some clubs, yes Chelsea I'm looking at you, from hoarding players but the reality is that far more normal clubs are affected by this than the goliaths.

 

[Don Barzini]

Virgil van Dijk on Bergvall during a post match interview: “I think it was quite obvious it was gonna be a second yellow. It was pretty clear. All people saw that… minute later he scored the winner, the ref made a mistake in my opinion, I told him that”.

Last season, during a post match interview Neco Williams received a £24,000 fine from the FA for expressing a negative opinion about a referee in a game he had just taken part in.

I therefore have every confidence that the FA will apply exactly the same yardstick to Mr van Dijk and issue a similar fine to him for the above comments.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Virgil van Dijk on Bergvall: “I think it was quite obvious it was gonna be a second yellow. It was pretty clear. All people saw that… minute later he scored the winner, the ref made a mistake in my opinion, I told him that”.

Last season, Neco Williams received a £24,000 fine from the FA for expressing a negative opinion about a referee in a game he had just taken part in.

I therefore have every confidence that the FA will apply exactly the same yardstick to Mr van Dijk and issue a similar fine to him for the above comments.

Ah but next time as your team is in the top 6 your players can say what they want now


It’s poor imo that players and managers can express a negative opinion about the officials - providing it’s respectful

The idea that officials are hands off is poor

You would have thought we recent events the PGMOL might actually stop protecting them

 

[Bdill93]

He looked like he was a player that could be sold to help PSR

He would have been/ was a year ago!

We actually bought him back in the summer (clause in contract to match offers) for around 16m, so this sale only generates £4m despite him originally being an academy prospect.

 

[Bdill93]

Definitely. In the past he would have been kept on, maybe sent on loan again. You would see if he developed and could be of use. Now, clubs have to sell this type of player, risking losing a good one. I get that it stops some clubs, yes Chelsea I'm looking at you, from hoarding players but the reality is that far more normal clubs are affected by this than the goliaths.

Rumour has it were after a guy called Malen from Dortmund for about 16m - Philogene isnt good enough atm for villa so a sale and replacement for 4m profit is smart business... the PSR merry go round!

 

[Don Barzini]

Ah but next time as your team is in the top 6 your players can say what they want now

No-one else is breaking into that cartel Arthur. You know it and I know it!

 

[Orikoru]

Virgil van Dijk on Bergvall during a post match interview: “I think it was quite obvious it was gonna be a second yellow. It was pretty clear. All people saw that… minute later he scored the winner, the ref made a mistake in my opinion, I told him that”.

Last season, during a post match interview Neco Williams received a £24,000 fine from the FA for expressing a negative opinion about a referee in a game he had just taken part in.

I therefore have every confidence that the FA will apply exactly the same yardstick to Mr van Dijk and issue a similar fine to him for the above comments.

If that is all he said then I would not want to see him fined for that. If Sky are going to drag the players out and ask for their opinions then we can't fine players for giving them can we? He's worded that respectfully. If he called the ref a cheating **** then that would be fine-worthy.

 

[Neilds]

Ah but next time as your team is in the top 6 your players can say what they want now


It’s poor imo that players and managers can express a negative opinion about the officials - providing it’s respectful

The idea that officials are hands off is poor

You would have thought we recent events the PGMOL might actually stop protecting them

I would love it for a referee to be criticised by a player and then to respond with a list of all the passes he misplaced, missed tackles etc and show that players actually make a lot more mistakes than a referee ever does

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Rumour has it were after a guy called Malen from Dortmund for about 16m - Philogene isnt good enough atm for villa so a sale and replacement for 4m profit is smart business... the PSR merry go round!

Malen was highly sought after a good 3/4 years ago when at PSV and went to Dortmund - did ok there and last season prob had his best season

Would be your Diaby replacement

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No-one else is breaking into that cartel Arthur. You know it and I know it!

You can do it

I would love it for a referee to be criticised by a player and then to respond with a list of all the passes he misplaced, missed tackles etc and show that players actually make a lot more mistakes than a referee ever does

The players are critisized every single day by media , fans , managers etc - and they also have consequences for their mistakes

Doesn’t seem to be any for a referee

 

[Norrin Radd]

At least it’s just the first leg

Will they kick his other leg it anfield

 

[Swango1980]

Virgil van Dijk on Bergvall during a post match interview: “I think it was quite obvious it was gonna be a second yellow. It was pretty clear. All people saw that… minute later he scored the winner, the ref made a mistake in my opinion, I told him that”.

Last season, during a post match interview Neco Williams received a £24,000 fine from the FA for expressing a negative opinion about a referee in a game he had just taken part in.

I therefore have every confidence that the FA will apply exactly the same yardstick to Mr van Dijk and issue a similar fine to him for the above comments.

In fairness, had Neco Williams said what VVD had said, that the referee made a mistake in his opinion, I'm sure there would be no fine. However, he didn't. Williams said ""Every single week this happens now. We are getting decisions against us, I don’t know why. Is it because we are a lower, bottom half of the table team?". It seems clear to me that he was suggesting some sort of general bias from officials against Forest, thus clearly questioning the integrity of how they treat Forest.

That is worth a fine to me.

Mind you, I don't want to take that statement from VVD out of context, as he might have had a lot more to say. But, I hope he also focused on how Liverpool defended that situation and how they played overall. Ultimately, Liverpool players have to take most of the responsibility for not winning the game. They could have defended that better, they could have scored a goal, etc. But they didn't

 

[Bdill93]

Malen was highly sought after a good 3/4 years ago when at PSV and went to Dortmund - did ok there and last season prob had his best season

Would be your Diaby replacement

I hope so! We really miss having another option to Bailey on the right hand side! Was gutted to see Diaby go!

 

[Don Barzini]

This gave me a chuckle.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1877256199621460398

 

[Bazz]

Tears in my eyes, we've signed a centre back.

He's going to need to be a mix of Baresi and Maldini, but still we've got one at least.

 

[Bdill93]

Tears in my eyes, we've signed a centre back.

He's going to need to be a mix of Baresi and Maldini, but still we've got one at least.

I hope he's decent! Don't want you boys going down! Need plenty of Midlands representation in the prem!!!

 

[Bazz]

I hope he's decent! Don't want you boys going down! Need plenty of Midlands representation in the prem!!!

Thanks mate, it's taking all of my willpower not to say I hope Villa go out of business so I'll just say thanks.