The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

One thing I don’t understand is why managers are not allowed to speak their mind without sanctions.
If he does it in a measured way .
Protecting the refs seems to be the most important thing even when there so wrong!

Because, like fans, managers often say stupid and incorrect things. One manager would absolutely hammer the referee, heighten the emotions of angry fans even further, and put them continually under significantly more pressure in future games under false accusations.

Meanwhile the other manager would give the completely opposite view, saying the controversial decision was absolutely correct (because it went their way)

Basically, in the heat of the moment, managers are often morons and completely unreliable. And interviewers will do their best to get the juiciest responses because it makes headlines

 

[clubchamp98]

Because, like fans, managers often say stupid and incorrect things. One manager would absolutely hammer the referee, heighten the emotions of angry fans even further, and put them continually under significantly more pressure in future games under false accusations.

Meanwhile the other manager would give the completely opposite view, saying the controversial decision was absolutely correct (because it went their way)

Basically, in the heat of the moment, managers are often morons and completely unreliable. And interviewers will do their best to get the juiciest responses because it makes headlines

I don’t agree.
I did say in a measured way.
They just get banned for speaking the truth.

Be interesting to hear Howard’ Webbs opinion on refs mixed up.

 

[Steve Wilkes]

I thought the Liverpool fans would be moaning about a non-sending off, That why it's a waste of time arguing with fans about football, not a peep out of them when Nunez should be getting a 5 match ban for deliberately trying to cave in someone's face on Sunday

 

[Swango1980]

I don’t agree.
I did say in a measured way.
They just get banned for speaking the truth.

Be interesting to hear Howard’ Webbs opinion on refs mixed up.

Of course managers can speak in a measured way. If a manager says "he should have had a second yellow card" or "it should have been a penalty" or "it shouldn't have been a penalty" etc. that is fine.

Managers only get fined when they go overboard, get all emotional, and start firing off personal insults or accusations towards the referee

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I thought the Liverpool fans would be moaning about a non-sending off, That why it's a waste of time arguing with fans about football, not a peep out of them when Nunez should be getting a 5 match ban for deliberately trying to cave in someone's face on Sunday

When did he “deliberately try to cave someone’s face in”

 

[Swango1980]

When did he “deliberately try to cave someone’s face in”

De Ligt

 

[Arthur Wedge]

De Ligt

Again when did he “deliberately try and cave someone’s face in”

Must have missed the FA charge for that

 

[Swango1980]

Again when did he “deliberately try and cave someone’s face in”

Must have missed the FA charge for that

It's called an opinion. There won't be enough evidence as to what his intentions were to charge him, doesn't mean he wasn't being naughty.

I suspect your thoughts on an identical incident would be different had Martinez thrown his shoulder into Salah's face.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It's called an opinion. There won't be enough evidence as to what his intentions were to charge him, doesn't mean he wasn't being naughty.

I suspect your thoughts on an identical incident would be different had Martinez thrown his shoulder into Salah's face.

It seemed more like a statement of fact

Nunez went to barge someone out the way as a ball was coming down , was too physical and caught the player , was a poor challenge and the minimum was a yellow , some refs might have given a red and it wouldn’t have been overturned

That doesn’t mean he went to “deliberately cave someone’s face in”

But of course nothing beats a hyperbole

 

[Swango1980]

It seemed more like a statement of fact

Nunez went to barge someone out the way as a ball was coming down , was too physical and caught the player , was a poor challenge and the minimum was a yellow , some refs might have given a red and it wouldn’t have been overturned

That doesn’t mean he went to “deliberately cave someone’s face in”

But of course nothing beats a hyperbole

Glad you admit it could have been a red card. Got there in the end

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Glad you admit it could have been a red card. Got there in the end

Don’t think anyone said it couldn’t have been

 

[Ross61]

Someone is on a yellow card -and then commits a yellow card tackle - he should be off , even if the first yellow was soft

From bbc report,

The International Football Association Board's Laws of the Games state: "If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play.

"However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goalscoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned."

The crucial part of the above is the final sentence. The offence - the foul by Bergvall - was interfering with a promising attack.

If referee Stuart Attwell did indeed play advantage then, applying the above, he did not have to go back and caution Bergvall.

But the laws also state "advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play, violent conduct or a second cautionable offence unless there is a clear opportunity to score a goal."

Was this a clear opportunity to score? Debatable.

Postecoglou,

Now we've been told consistently in the last few weeks, because I've been screaming about it from the sidelines, because a lot of teams have got away with a lot of fouls with us, without bookings, because the referee plays advantage.

"We've been told consistently that if we play advantage, as long as it's not a cynical foul, then the player does not get cautioned. So that's been relayed to us on a weekly basis. Because we feel like that's been happening."

Liverpool boss Slot had been furious with the decision at the time, and remained frustrated with it after the game.

He said: "The decision he [the referee] made had a lot of impact on the result. There's not a lot I can say from that.

"The fourth official told me why he thought it wasn't a second yellow and he heard that probably from the referee. What we can say about it is that he said he didn't stop the counterattack, every manager would say they prefer the second yellow than a counterattack that goes on.

 

[AmandaJR]

Jeez - can someone summarise for me?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

From bbc report,

The International Football Association Board's Laws of the Games state: "If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play.

"However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goalscoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned."

The crucial part of the above is the final sentence. The offence - the foul by Bergvall - was interfering with a promising attack.

If referee Stuart Attwell did indeed play advantage then, applying the above, he did not have to go back and caution Bergvall.

But the laws also state "advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play, violent conduct or a second cautionable offence unless there is a clear opportunity to score a goal."

Was this a clear opportunity to score? Debatable.

Postecoglou,

Now we've been told consistently in the last few weeks, because I've been screaming about it from the sidelines, because a lot of teams have got away with a lot of fouls with us, without bookings, because the referee plays advantage.

"We've been told consistently that if we play advantage, as long as it's not a cynical foul, then the player does not get cautioned. So that's been relayed to us on a weekly basis. Because we feel like that's been happening."

Liverpool boss Slot had been furious with the decision at the time, and remained frustrated with it after the game.

He said: "The decision he [the referee] made had a lot of impact on the result. There's not a lot I can say from that.

"The fourth official told me why he thought it wasn't a second yellow and he heard that probably from the referee. What we can say about it is that he said he didn't stop the counterattack, every manager would say they prefer the second yellow than a counterattack that goes on.

The second yellow was a cynical foul , it was late and took him out , to the point he was then off the field injured getting treatment when he scored

If the second tackle isn’t a cynical foul then I don’t know what is these day

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Jeez - can someone summarise for me?

Basically the rules if the ref allows advantage then he doesn’t have to book the player for a second yellow card offence unless it was a cynical foul amongst other things

 

[Pin-seeker]

Jeez - can someone summarise for me?

Referee made 2 mistakes,one went in favour of Liverpool the other against Liverpool.
But obviously the only one that’s important is the one against.

 

[PJ87]

Jeez - can someone summarise for me?

Liverpool lost

 

[Bdill93]

One for @Bdill93 what do you think of Jaden Philogene? We keep being linked with him, seems to be more than the usual transfer guff.

Not cutting the mustard at Villa but he did very well in the championship last year.

One of those - could be good but could just be an average career too.

Supposed to be a great guy, no silliness around him and a good pro.

 

[Steve Wilkes]

When did he “deliberately try to cave someone’s face in”

You don't even realise, you are proving my original point

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not cutting the mustard at Villa but he did very well in the championship last year.

One of those - could be good but could just be an average career too.

Supposed to be a great guy, no silliness around him and a good pro.

It looks like he is going to Ipswich now. Thanks for the review though. That is the sort of level we are at right now, the will he or wont he make it player