Aztecs27
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I assume by several, you mean in every single media appearance he's done since they lost to Forest?
Arthur Wedge
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I assume by several, you mean in every single media appearance he's done since they lost to Forest?
It’s the one game he has lost during the whole of 2024 so it was asked about a lot
I guess the whole “club not normally in the top 10” statement which may have erked a few which at the end of day was pretty much a factual statement
But he seems pretty calm about it all and was more critical about the way we played that day
But I guess if people want to create something to add some spice it will happen
RichA
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Murillo is great, but he's displayed some weaknesses in the last few games that probably harm his value to big clubs looking to make a marquee signing.
Every game he's made a couple of massive blunders that could easily have lead to opposition goals. Fortunately for us, he's largely got away with it and the rest of his game has more than made up for it. At big clubs it wouldn't be forgiven and I think it will have been noticed. I hope so anyway; I'd like him to stay with us a little longer. I don't think he's worth the numbers that were thrown about a few weeks ago.
Don Barzini
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Bear in mind the guy is 22 years old and has barely just finished a full season of professional football. Even before he came to us he’d only played a handful of senior games in Brazil.
His ceiling is ridiculous. He’ll learn to omit those errors from his game that you mention and would be worth every single penny of the numbers we’re talking about. The news of him signing a new contract is encouraging though. Perhaps he’s being very sensible and thinking of the long game - another season or two with us and then he really is going to get the big interest at the fees we know he’s worth.
Not sure how that scenario would affect our PSR though! I think most of us thought he was on his way at the end of this season and that would sort out the figures for a while! Still may be the case of course.
Aztecs27
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Whilst I do agree with Rich in that he does have a few mistakes in him, he more than makes up for it - it's a bit like MGW - he does a lot of flashy stuff, which doesn't always come off and he'll lose the ball in midfield, but then he'll ping a a 40 yard pass with the outside of his boot 5 minutes later which leads to a goal...sooo, I don't mind it. He's CONSTANTLY trying to make moments of magic, for the entire 90 minutes. He was sensational last night.
But...back to Murillo - I allow him those few mistakes at this stage as he is still very raw having only just played the equivalent of a full season of Premier League football after a handful of first team appearances for Corinthians. If we do end up selling him in the summer, he'll still end up going for at least £60m. We'd probably get at least that for Milenkovic now too. Although I never want Milenkovic to leave.
I hope the club have learned from last season and have all our ducks in a row with regards to PSR now.
As a side note; I'm absolutely livid I gave my ticket away for next Tuesday....If I can find one last minute, I'm going to go and deal with the consequences with the wife later
As it'll be a special, special night, regardless of the result.
AmandaJR
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nickjdavis
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I agree...you only need to look back to the Toon-Forest mutual back scratching in the summer with us selling you Anderson and you offloading Vlachodimos to us, to realise that things were tight then and probably haven't improved much in the interim.
I only expect a couple of incoming loans in the January window at Newcastle...possibly a couple of outgoing sales...Almiron and maybe Longstaff....though there is talk of Dubravka going to Saudi Arabia which would be a shame as he has been excellent in the last few weeks since Pope has been out.
Aztecs27
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Thanks again for Anderson by the way. He's an unbelievable footballer.
Hopefully you'll still take Elanga off us for £50+m in the summer - not that I want him to leave, as he's found his form again, as I knew he would, but if someone has to leave, then out of the following;
MGW
Murillo
Milenkovic
CHO
Elanga
Anderson
Aina
Then Elanga is the odd man out, unfortunately
Keeping Gibbs-White and the majority of the above are the backbone of the team and are key to continued success, in my not-so-expert opinion.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Thanks again for Anderson by the way. He's an unbelievable footballer.
Hopefully you'll still take Elanga off us for £50+m in the summer - not that I want him to leave, as he's found his form again, as I knew he would, but if someone has to leave, then out of the following;
MGW
Murillo
Milenkovic
CHO
Elanga
Anderson
Aina
Then Elanga is the odd man out, unfortunately
Keeping Gibbs-White and the majority of the above are the backbone of the team and are key to continued success, in my not-so-expert opinion.
Aina’s contract due to run out ?
And there will be clubs circling for the players
The same happened with Leicester and clubs jumped in for Mahrez and Kante
And also Brighton
No doubt that come the summer there will be some big clubs looking at the CB’s for one and prob Anderson
Pin-seeker
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Don Barzini
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If we continue our good run and end up with Champions League football, we’ll have a very strong hand in persuading them to stay. Marianakis is ambitious enough and a shrewd enough businessman not to end up being forced into selling all his prized assets. One maybe, for the purposes of the stupid, self-limiting PSR rules. But unless we have to sell, he’d do everything he could to attract players to stay.
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Roll on deoderant head
Not wrong am I?! It’s the exact shape of a roll-on deodorant!
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
CL will strengthen the hand a bit but think when Leicester won the title and into CL they lose Kante during the summer before the CL - there is always someone out there will deeper pockets and offering silly money
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Will be "interesting" to see the VAR trial in the Carabao Cup semi-finals tonight and tomorrow where the referee publicly announces the outcome of any VAR review.
I believe it is the same system they used at the last Women's World Cup and it was laughable, with the referee simply saying "after VAR Review - Penalty"....no explanation for the rationale or reasoning....simply just repeating what was previously published on a big screen.
I believe it is the same system they used at the last Women's World Cup and it was laughable, with the referee simply saying "after VAR Review - Penalty"....no explanation for the rationale or reasoning....simply just repeating what was previously published on a big screen.
Aztecs27
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I think the difference between Leicester (and the likes of Brighton etc) is Marinakis has pretty deep pockets anyway AND the ambition/vision to take Forest back to the top of the food chain. He's not in it to make money (unlike the Crystal Palaces of this world who's owners are happy for them to be mid-table and collecting their TV money and transfer fees each season), he's in it for success. So whilst we will have to sell to stay within PSR, the fact they're looking to offer Murillo a new contract speaks volumes. He's under contract til 2028, so plenty of time left on his contract to not bother and wait for the bidding to start.
And yes, Aina is out of contract in the summer, so priority this Jan needs to be him signing another contract. He's comfortably in the top 2 or 3 Fullback's in the league this season, so we'd be silly to let him go.
Swango1980
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I mean, once play restarts after a VAR review, is it not blindly obvious what the outcome was?
As you say, the main issue is an explanation to the decision, not the outcome.
That being said, even giving an explanation, it is pointless. Decisions will still be inconsistent. Take hand ball for example. I'm prepared to accept Utd conceding a penalty as De Ligts hand was above his head against Liverpool, albeit it was completely accidental and suddenly was deflected at him. VAR recommended the penalty after it not being given on field, showed the referee the incident twice, both times in super slow motion (we were previously told by Webb VAR would always show it in real time as well). Yet, you have the penalty incident last night that was never given. OK, arm not above his head, but it was still out from his body and stopped the cross.
In the Newcastle game against Utd, it looked like their second goal came off the upper arm. Again, I'd be prepared to accept that as a goal if that part of the arm was OK. But, pretty sure I've seen VAR rule out other goals when the ball has actually hit higher up the arm. Perhaps it depends on the sleeve length?
Then you look at the penalty against Arsenal for clash of heads. Even if we ignore the fact the Arsenal player actually headed the ball (did VAR miss that or not see it as relevant?), not once in my life have I ever seen a penalty or free kick given for this (that I remember). Inevitably, most clash of heads result in one or neither player winning the ball. Play is always stopped, but I only ever remember it being done because of a head injury, not to award a free kick or penalty? If the referee had not given the penalty, the likes of Mike Dean would simply say "natural coming together, you don't get a penalty for that" which I'd agree with (but I don't agree with him a lot of other times he throws out that comment). But, as the referee gave it, Mike Dean would then simply say "he went for the ball and didn't get it (assuming that was true), so a penalty is correct". Basically, officials will generally back the decision made by their colleagues based on hindsight, and certainly the official making the decision will justify why they made it. But, their logic could still be considered absolute garbage to players, manager and fans.
Almiron going is a no brainer. Longstaff is trickier as he is a good player and gives you depth in that central area. The current 3 are in cracking form but it's a lot to ask that they don't miss a game for the rest of the season.
If Dubravka goes, who is your keeper for the rest of the season? It looks like Pope might be ready by the end of the month but can you trust his shoulder now it has already popped out? I don't know what your number 3 is like, they must have a lot of faith in him if they let Dubravka go in January. End of the year, I suspect you need a new number 1 & 2 but that is for the end of the year.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Cant really disagree with any of the above.
Seems to me that Football is trying to go to where Rugby has been for several years and making a right pigs ear of the job.
Bdill93
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nickjdavis
Head Pro
Well...there's talk of James Trafford coming but that would be getting close to us being able to field an eleven man team of Goalkeepers. Vlachodimos, who we got from Forest as part of PSR shenanigans in the summer, has looked more than competent when I've seen him play for Greece. but its fair to say that, even with all the keepers weve got on the books, the depth is slightly lacking and to let Dubravka go without bringing someone else in would seem somewhat foolhardy.
Lewis Miley is coming back from injury and he can certainly fill Longstaffs boots long term. Maybe we can take advantage of Barcelona's inability to register players and snatch Olmo on a 6 month loan.
As ever though, another right winger and a striker remains the priority...as you say the front three wont go the rest of the season without some sort of mishap...especially if Gordon keeps making a habit of running into defenders shoulders.
