The Footie Thread

[Morfeen75]

Not sure Sky would have a choice - because they'd be losing the product and it all going in house.

If true sky would be finished. Without sport it offers very little.

Are the PL running it or clubs themselves? That would be intresting. Financially that would only benefit the "Big 6" as for example Manchester United would be able to sell their games worldwide substantially more than West Ham.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I wonder how many people in the UK now have them?

A LOT

 

[Bdill93]

If true sky would be finished. Without sport it offers very little.

Are the PL running it or clubs themselves? That would be intresting. Financially that would only benefit the "Big 6" as for example Manchester United would be able to sell their games worldwide substantially more than West Ham.

Well the PL are moving all production in house by 2028 or something anyway...

Why would it only benefit the big 6 when obviously you just have a collective bargaining agreement and share the money equally between premier league clubs.

Its not individual clubs out for themselves, its a platform where you can view everything premier league.

It isn't hard.

They do it in pretty much all american sports and like DAZN here

 

[PJ87]

I wonder how many people in the UK now have them?

Which is prob why their is talk of ending the blackout, only way to beat them because they won't ever stop them whilst the league is broadcast aboard and also with so many of the nation committing crimes let's make it legal lol like they did with apple music .. used to be against the law to rip the music to your computer, breaking copyright

 

[Morfeen75]

Well the PL are moving all production in house by 2028 or something anyway...

Why would it only benefit the big 6 when obviously you just have a collective bargaining agreement and share the money equally between premier league clubs.

Its not individual clubs out for themselves, its a platform where you can view everything premier league.

It isn't hard.

They do it in pretty much all american sports and like DAZN here

I didnt know so thats why i asked.

My thoughts were if the clubs were allowed to negotiate their own TV deals like the spanish teams, then it would benefit the big 6. Now you've confirmed its the former my point is irrelevant.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Fans right now are already sick of being milked for money

There were protests up and down the country this weekend about prices etc


Removal of a 3pm black would be only based on finding a way to make more money

The genie was released out of the bottle decades ago - but let’s not go the full hog

The greed within the game needs to be curbed

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Well the PL are moving all production in house by 2028 or something anyway...

Why would it only benefit the big 6 when obviously you just have a collective bargaining agreement and share the money equally between premier league clubs.

Its not individual clubs out for themselves, its a platform where you can view everything premier league.

It isn't hard.

They do it in pretty much all american sports and like DAZN here

Unfortunately we have only see that the big clubs want the bigger slice of the pie because without being brutal the eyes around the world are on the Man City’s , Liverpools , Arsenals , Man Utd , etc - they managed to sell rights for billions of the back of the world wide appeal of those clubs

 

[Morfeen75]

Which is prob why their is talk of ending the blackout, only way to beat them because they won't ever stop them whilst the league is broadcast aboard and also with so many of the nation committing crimes let's make it legal lol like they did with apple music .. used to be against the law to rip the music to your computer, breaking copyright

Ending the blackouts wont stop piracy,dodgy boxes and iptv. It will only increase the demand for such services once the PL start charging £20+ per game.

 

[Bdill93]

Which is prob why their is talk of ending the blackout, only way to beat them because they won't ever stop them whilst the league is broadcast aboard and also with so many of the nation committing crimes let's make it legal lol like they did with apple music .. used to be against the law to rip the music to your computer, breaking copyright

There is no way to beat them. No matter what they provide as a solution the stick will always be the cheapest way to watch the games.

 

[GB72]

Just an honest question. Would you rather that football was affordable (lower ticket prices, cheaper TV Deals etc) if the knock on effect was for your club to not be able to afford the best players, compete in Europe and have a global reputation. Just interested to see if fans would give up some of the success of their clubs outside of this league in exchange for a more affordable viewing experience at home and in person.

You can pretty much guarantee that if the Premier League clubs cut spending to make football affordable, another league would up their spending to try and get the global audience that the Premier League has now.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Just an honest question. Would you rather that football was affordable (lower ticket prices, cheaper TV Deals etc) if the knock on effect was for your club to not be able to afford the best players, compete in Europe and have a global reputation. Just interested to see if fans would give up some of the success of their clubs outside of this league in exchange for a more affordable viewing experience at home and in person.

You can pretty much guarantee that if the Premier League clubs cut spending to make football affordable, another league would up their spending to try and get the global audience that the Premier League has now.

I'm an Everton fan, we are already there and used to it. If we could avoid the whole relegation battle issue, it's not so bad .

 

[Don Barzini]

Just an honest question. Would you rather that football was affordable (lower ticket prices, cheaper TV Deals etc) if the knock on effect was for your club to not be able to afford the best players, compete in Europe and have a global reputation.

That's the reality for the vast majority of all clubs now anyway!

 

[Swango1980]

Just an honest question. Would you rather that football was affordable (lower ticket prices, cheaper TV Deals etc) if the knock on effect was for your club to not be able to afford the best players, compete in Europe and have a global reputation. Just interested to see if fans would give up some of the success of their clubs outside of this league in exchange for a more affordable viewing experience at home and in person.

You can pretty much guarantee that if the Premier League clubs cut spending to make football affordable, another league would up their spending to try and get the global audience that the Premier League has now.

I suspect if clubs are still pretty much getting full capacity stadiums because people are buying tickets, and if broadcasters keep spending gazillions for the rights because people are subscribing to their packages, then prices will continue to increase. Nobody likes having to spend more, but few complain when their club spends loads of player transfer fees and wages. Football is a business, not a charity, so of course it will look at ways to maximise income. And, many of their individual efforts to do this will feel a lot more unpalatable than others, depending on how individuals feels the impact.

The moment clubs go to far, in my opinion, is when they can't get anywhere near capacity stadiums because too many people are put off by the prices.

Personally, I get really frustrated when broadcasting rights are split over multiple broadcasters, meaning I need to pay a pretty hefty subscription fee for each one, if I want to view the games. It's no wonder many turn to piracy, but I guess enough are still putting their hands in their pockets right now for broadcasters to justify paying through the roof for the rights, and charging the subscription fees they do, whilst making a good amount from advertising on their platforms, etc.

 

[GB72]

I suspect if clubs are still pretty much getting full capacity stadiums because people are buying tickets, and if broadcasters keep spending gazillions for the rights because people are subscribing to their packages, then prices will continue to increase. Nobody likes having to spend more, but few complain when their club spends loads of player transfer fees and wages. Football is a business, not a charity, so of course it will look at ways to maximise income. And, many of their individual efforts to do this will feel a lot more unpalatable than others, depending on how individuals feels the impact.

The moment clubs go to far, in my opinion, is when they can't get anywhere near capacity stadiums because too many people are put off by the prices.

Personally, I get really frustrated when broadcasting rights are split over multiple broadcasters, meaning I need to pay a pretty hefty subscription fee for each one, if I want to view the games. It's no wonder many turn to piracy, but I guess enough are still putting their hands in their pockets right now for broadcasters to justify paying through the roof for the rights, and charging the subscription fees they do, whilst making a good amount from advertising on their platforms, etc.

My question was more a 'what if'. You would swap club success for cheaper tickets and TV Packages.

Totally agree on the spread across broadcasters. I get the same with rugby, Premiership on TNT, European games on another channel, England matches moving regularly between broadcasters, Lions on Sky. Then again, how much would Sky have to pay for all the rights and how much would they charge the consumer if they had a monopoly. Suspect it would not be any cheaper.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Fans right now are already sick of being milked for money

There were protests up and down the country this weekend about prices etc


Removal of a 3pm black would be only based on finding a way to make more money

The genie was released out of the bottle decades ago - but let’s not go the full hog

The greed within the game needs to be curbed

The greed indeed…but greed to what end…what is the point…what are club owners wanting to achieve from their club?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

My question was more a 'what if'. You would swap club success for cheaper tickets and TV Packages.

Totally agree on the spread across broadcasters. I get the same with rugby, Premiership on TNT, European games on another channel, England matches moving regularly between broadcasters, Lions on Sky. Then again, how much would Sky have to pay for all the rights and how much would they charge the consumer if they had a monopoly. Suspect it would not be any cheaper.

I don’t expect many fans will want to give us success but there does need to be a line drawn in the sand somewhere

It’s potentially what’s happening with Liverpool at the moment

Their highest earner is currently due to run out of contract - everyone is screaming give him what he wants whilst at the same time screaming - stop fleecing the fans

Because there is starting to be the expectation of wanting their billionaire owners to dip into their own pockets to pay for players etc etc

People expected the “boom” to blow up - it hasn’t but some clubs have gone to the wall because of the finances in the sport- same with rugby

I really wish there was a global wage structure limit etc

Players also need to take some responsibility - their demands

But then Saudi and the oil money just comes along and blows it out of the water and everyone else tries to keep up

Just as in Professional golf

 

[Bdill93]

I don’t expect many fans will want to give us success but there does need to be a line drawn in the sand somewhere

It’s potentially what’s happening with Liverpool at the moment

Their highest earner is currently due to run out of contract - everyone is screaming give him what he wants whilst at the same time screaming - stop fleecing the fans

Because there is starting to be the expectation of wanting their billionaire owners to dip into their own pockets to pay for players etc etc

People expected the “boom” to blow up - it hasn’t but some clubs have gone to the wall because of the finances in the sport- same with rugby

I really wish there was a global wage structure limit etc

Players also need to take some responsibility - their demands

But then Saudi and the oil money just comes along and blows it out of the water and everyone else tries to keep up

Just as in Professional golf

It is all one thing after another really.

The TV deals were the starting point, now Sky etc pay billions for rights and players rightly want a slice of the pie.

It seems though, that consumers arent willing to pay what sky (and others) are now charging, data suggests so anyway - so come the next TV deal, you can bet they wont offer as much for rights.

I think big changes are coming!

 

[GB72]

It is all one thing after another really.

The TV deals were the starting point, now Sky etc pay billions for rights and players rightly want a slice of the pie.

It seems though, that consumers arent willing to pay what sky (and others) are now charging, data suggests so anyway - so come the next TV deal, you can bet they wont offer as much for rights.

I think big changes are coming!

I am not quite as convinced. Without football, Sky sports does not exist. May sound dramatic but I just do not think that there is enough revenue from other sporting rights to keep the lights on. I could be wrong.

Then again, TNT are pulling back from that expense, Amazon have only been interested in showing a few matches and so are Sky becoming the only viable game in town. If so then they can look to cut the amount paid.

I suppose though that if Sky do not stump up the cash the Premier League has the funds and resources to go in house with it and set up Premier League TV.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It is all one thing after another really.

The TV deals were the starting point, now Sky etc pay billions for rights and players rightly want a slice of the pie.

It seems though, that consumers arent willing to pay what sky (and others) are now charging, data suggests so anyway - so come the next TV deal, you can bet they wont offer as much for rights.

I think big changes are coming!

Think the bigger deals are outside the UK , the world wide rights are huge and Sky sell those rights off for the packages they own

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I am not quite as convinced. Without football, Sky sports does not exist. May sound dramatic but I just do not think that there is enough revenue from other sporting rights to keep the lights on. I could be wrong.

Then again, TNT are pulling back from that expense, Amazon have only been interested in showing a few matches and so are Sky becoming the only viable game in town. If so then they can look to cut the amount paid.

I suppose though that if Sky do not stump up the cash the Premier League has the funds and resources to go in house with it and set up Premier League TV.

You’re not wrong - sky sports built up from owning the football prem rights

Wouldn’t surprise me if 90% of Sky and TNT subscriptions are because of the football , the rest is a bonus