The Footie Thread

[Arthur Wedge]

One of the key things for me is when a manager goes to a club is that they look to implement their style on the players they have there and then look to bring in players that fit their style

When managers like Mourinho and Van Gaal arrived you knew what style they wanted to play and they looked to bring in players that suited that - issue is both have a style that’s a bit negative and defensive and was prob a hard watch

OGS - looked like he just wanted to attack

ETH has been there two years , spent a lot of money bringing in about 20 players -

What’s his style of football ? What is he trying to implement on the pitch

It’s never a quick fix but the bare basics for a manager going should be to implement the style of play - coach the players to fit that and then bring in players to enhance it

There doesn’t seem to be any style of play , any structure , any cohesion on the pitch and that’s not even looking at the lack of leadership, direction and desire

It’s been 2 years now , 20 players in , a lot of money spent - is the team better than the 21/22 team that he took over ?

What is the blueprint he is working to on the pitch

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The owners are apparently backing EtH. whether that's the infamous board approval which is the kiss of death or it is a genuine belief he can make it work remains to be seen https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cly5d6jvgx6o

 

[Morfeen75]

Which was probably why Jose had such a good percentage. Always knew how to dig out a 1-0. Seems some are ignoring the evidence. EtH has statistically done better than the likes of OGS who had just shy of 3 years and spent a decent wedge of cash.

Statistics dont win football matches i'm afraid. It's also wrong to compare win % as all those managers had different amounts of time at the club. If the League Goals Scored/ Goals Conceded stat above is true, then that should be alarming to any Manchester United fan. A goal difference of +11 in 82 League games isnt form of a top or successful side. Domestic Cup games should be viewed differently too, most of the top teams rotate heavily in the early rounds and often dont play there best teams until the semi finals.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

One of the key things for me is when a manager goes to a club is that they look to implement their style on the players they have there and then look to bring in players that fit their style

When managers like Mourinho and Van Gaal arrived you knew what style they wanted to play and they looked to bring in players that suited that - issue is both have a style that’s a bit negative and defensive and was prob a hard watch

OGS - looked like he just wanted to attack

ETH has been there two years , spent a lot of money bringing in about 20 players -

What’s his style of football ? What is he trying to implement on the pitch

It’s never a quick fix but the bare basics for a manager going should be to implement the style of play - coach the players to fit that and then bring in players to enhance it

There doesn’t seem to be any style of play , any structure , any cohesion on the pitch and that’s not even looking at the lack of leadership, direction and desire

It’s been 2 years now , 20 players in , a lot of money spent - is the team better than the 21/22 team that he took over ?

What is the blueprint he is working to on the pitch

Didn't we discuss this obsession with a "style" last week. Managers have been under pressure, Jose in particular for negative styles but his win rate showed how well a boring 1-0 worked. Your agenda on EtH is clear and you want him out. Look at the three managers you had after Benitez and see how the results never improved again until Klopp came in and even then it took time

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Statistics dont win football matches i'm afraid. It's also wrong to compare win % as all those managers had different amounts of time at the club. If the League Goals Scored/ Goals Conceded stat above is true, then that should be alarming to any Manchester United fan. A goal difference of +11 in 82 League games isnt form of a top or successful side. Domestic Cup games should be viewed differently too, most of the top teams rotate heavily in the early rounds and often dont play there best teams until the semi finals.

Jose had two years and OGS had 3 so comparable with EtH

 

[Morfeen75]

Jose had two years and OGS had 3 so comparable with EtH

Has EtH got a better League win % than Jose?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Has EtH got a better League win % than Jose?

Jose 58.33%
EtH 56.10%

So no but if EtH stays in post nothing to say in time that won't change and be higher. Of course too many performances like yesterday and that'll never happen

 

[Neilds]

Has EtH got a better League win % than Jose?

It doesn't matter what he did last season, season before, etc. What counts in football is results and only current results. No point saying they did well in the past, means nothing.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It doesn't matter what he did last season, season before, etc. What counts in football is results and only current results. No point saying they did well in the past, means nothing.

If current results all that matters - it’s not great reading

• Manchester United's seven points are the club's joint-fewest after six games of a Premier League season.
• Only in the 2007-08 season have United scored fewer goals in their first six Premier League games.
• United have lost consecutive Premier League matches without scoring at Old Trafford for the first time since November 2021, in what were Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's final two home games in charge before he was sacked.
• United have now lost more Premier League matches by three or more goals since Sir Alex Ferguson left the club (23 in 424 games) than they did in 1,035 league games under the Scot (22).

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It doesn't matter what he did last season, season before, etc. What counts in football is results and only current results. No point saying they did well in the past, means nothing.

Thing is both Jose and Van Gaal were culpable of boring football and to a degree were victims of fan pressure to see a more attacking style. In the PL after Villa its Brentford at home, West Ham away and Leicester at home so all of those games would appear winnable especially the home ones. Get 9 pints and move up and within touching distance of a European place and will it seem as bleak then?

If they got rid of EtH (and have already come out and supported him today) who do they get in and with several months before the next window they are left with the same players anyway. If the likes of Bruno, Rashford et al aren't doing it will they for a new manager?

 

[Morfeen75]

Thing is both Jose and Van Gaal were culpable of boring football and to a degree were victims of fan pressure to see a more attacking style. In the PL after Villa its Brentford at home, West Ham away and Leicester at home so all of those games would appear winnable especially the home ones. Get 9 pints and move up and within touching distance of a European place and will it seem as bleak then?

If they got rid of EtH (and have already come out and supported him today) who do they get in and with several months before the next window they are left with the same players anyway. If the likes of Bruno, Rashford et al aren't doing it will they for a new manager?

At least those 2 managers had a plan. This current bloke hasnt got a clue. They dont defend very well and are weak in attack. Im sure a new manager would rejuvenate the likes of Bruno and Rashford. Remember they stopped doing it for Ole.

 

[venger]

Anybody got Big Sam’s phone number?

 

[Golfnut1957]

Anybody got Big Sam’s phone number?

The Telegraph?

 

[PJ87]

@Lord Tyrion reflecting on a comment you made about JWP earlier I think in hindsight it was a big mistake to loan him out and loan in soler. Don't get me wrong soler has the potential to be a level above JWP however JWP is a proven premier league player and bringing him on instead of soler now would be adding experience and a decent set piece to the game.

Think soler transfer was one to many

Also finally seen the end of the game from Saturday. Poor refereeing

Don't award a corner then blow up for full time .. either blow up before awarding a corner... Or let the corner be played

Very poor

 

[Bdill93]

If current results all that matters - it’s not great reading

• Manchester United's seven points are the club's joint-fewest after six games of a Premier League season.
• Only in the 2007-08 season have United scored fewer goals in their first six Premier League games.
• United have lost consecutive Premier League matches without scoring at Old Trafford for the first time since November 2021, in what were Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's final two home games in charge before he was sacked.
• United have now lost more Premier League matches by three or more goals since Sir Alex Ferguson left the club (23 in 424 games) than they did in 1,035 league games under the Scot (22).

Now that last one - that's seriously impressive!

 

[Bdill93]

Thing is both Jose and Van Gaal were culpable of boring football and to a degree were victims of fan pressure to see a more attacking style. In the PL after Villa its Brentford at home, West Ham away and Leicester at home so all of those games would appear winnable especially the home ones. Get 9 pints and move up and within touching distance of a European place and will it seem as bleak then?

If they got rid of EtH (and have already come out and supported him today) who do they get in and with several months before the next window they are left with the same players anyway. If the likes of Bruno, Rashford et al aren't doing it will they for a new manager?

I firmly believe the answer to this is - yes they could - but it'll take a proven brilliant manager/ head coach to achieve it - not just a new face.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Now that last one - that's seriously impressive!

Does show how good Ferguson was

 

[Lord Tyrion]

@PJ87
I saw your manager get the hump about that. I always think managers and players look planks when they complain like that.

What if there is 15 seconds left? He has to award the corner, his watch says 15 seconds. Player trots across, sets the ball up, times up. Nothing the ref can do. If the ref ignored those extra seconds, if a camera showed time left on the watch.....people would go nuts. Time is up when it's up.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I firmly believe the answer to this is - yes they could - but it'll take a proven brilliant manager/ head coach to achieve it - not just a new face.

And who will that be. A brilliant manager/head coach is still going to need time and there is still a gap until the window. Unless he comes in and gets the players firing in all areas aren't they going to be in the same mess at least until the window opens when there is potential to buy/sell. I am not sure there is anyone out there that can turn it around that quickly and so why not let EtH carry on?

 

[Bdill93]

Does show how good Ferguson was

Absolutely immense, I wonder what the stats are for say like a Chelsea and a Everton over a similar time frame (post fergie)