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Unfortunately, for Ronaldo, he grew upplaying for United and that will always give Messi the nod from most non-United supporters.
Not that they'd admit that, obviously.


And vice versa

Some only continue to blow that much smoke up and always rate him above Messi because he played for United and they are United fans

Not that they admit it though

It doesn’t matter who either player played for - Messi would be the one I would take in my team all day

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Although, regarding the 3 free kicks I've seen him take, they were probably better than any other free kick I've seen in the tournament. Not sure a free kick has been scored yet, so maybe every nation needs to drop their main free kick taker?
His success ratio in recent years has been widely quoted, this isn't a new thing. If someone keeps not scoring from them, why keep giving them the ball? Portugal have Fernandes and Silva who are both excellent at free kicks, logic surely says let them try at some stage. Or, keep feeding the ego and not scoring 🤷‍♀️
 

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And vice versa

Some only continue to blow that much smoke up and always rate him above Messi because he played for United and they are United fans

Not that they admit it though

It doesn’t matter who either player played for - Messi would be the one I would take in my team all day

But there is no right or wrong answer
I wouldn't argue with that, but there are far more non-United fans than United fans themselves.
 

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His success ratio in recent years has been widely quoted, this isn't a new thing. If someone keeps not scoring from them, why keep giving them the ball? Portugal have Fernandes and Silva who are both excellent at free kicks, logic surely says let them try at some stage. Or, keep feeding the ego and not scoring 🤷‍♀️
The ego needs feeding. Will he strop and go missing if they don't?
 

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I find all the hatred quite hilarious, some of it is actually pretty venomous.
It's not like he's messing with your missus.
Just accept that the man has passion you'll probably never experience.
He's just so ridiculously driven that any kind of failure is just unacceptable to him.
He felt he'd let himself, his fans and his nation down.
I think that's actually an endearing feature.

Yeah, I'm biased, but he is the GOAT.
It was bizarre to see him crying at that stage of the game, but I'm more inclined to believe this than to think he has the ability to cry on demand and just did it for appearances. For a lot of his early career Portugal haven't always had the greatest team, so I imagine he's always felt a huge burden of expectation on his shoulders to be the one that drives them on. And in all likelihood he's probably thinking that this is finally his last tournament for them (although you never know of course). Obviously lost his cool for a minute, but I certainly don't think it was for show, I do think it means that much to him. Yes he wants to be the main man, but that includes wanting to drive his team, his country to glory one more time.

When he scored in the shoot-out he was apologising to the fans for missing the earlier one. Rather than just punching the air with relief. That spoke to me about how he wears their expectations around his neck.

And as a sidenote, I still lean towards Ronaldo over Messi as the best of all time. Both incredible and a clear top two, but CR shades it for me due to being more two-footed, incredible in the air as well - did it in multiple different top leagues rather than just one. Played different positions: right midfield, left wing, then central striker. Just has more strings to his bow than Messi. And I also feel he had slightly more determination to win a game single-handedly when the chips were down than Messi who didn't always turn up for the fight in that sense.
 
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His success ratio in recent years has been widely quoted, this isn't a new thing. If someone keeps not scoring from them, why keep giving them the ball? Portugal have Fernandes and Silva who are both excellent at free kicks, logic surely says let them try at some stage. Or, keep feeding the ego and not scoring 🤷‍♀️
It's just about who pulls rank at the end of the day. I endured nine years of Harry Kane taking free kicks for Spurs, and the first one he ever took was the only one he ever scored I think - via deflection. He must have been banging them in in training I guess. 🤷‍♂️ On one occasion I remember Heung-Min Son scored two in a game for Korea - and if I've remembered this right, one was with his right foot and the other with his left foot which is just insane - the next week Kane was still on them for us.

Funnily enough he did score one for Bayern this season though. 😂



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It's just about who pulls rank at the end of the day. I endured nine years of Harry Kane taking free kicks for Spurs, and the first one he ever took was the only one he ever scored I think - via deflection. He must have been banging them in in training I guess. 🤷‍♂️ On one occasion I remember Heung-Min Son scored two in a game for Korea - and if I've remembered this right, one was with his right foot and the other with his left foot which is just insane - the next week Kane was still on them for us.

Funnily enough he did score one for Bayern this season though. 😂



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The manager should not let that happen. Whether Kane, Ronaldo, remember Roberto Carlos? There should reach a point where the manager steps in and gives the ball to someone else, no matter who it relates to. The team is bigger than any individual.
 

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The manager should not let that happen. Whether Kane, Ronaldo, remember Roberto Carlos? There should reach a point where the manager steps in and gives the ball to someone else, no matter who it relates to. The team is bigger than any individual.
By the end some Spurs fans even theorised it was in his contract that he takes them if he's on the pitch! We were running out of other explanations to be fair. When we had Eriksen he did take them mostly I think, because he was certainly a free kick specialist and I remember him scoring a few. But Kane would still take a few off him for whatever reason.
 

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His success ratio in recent years has been widely quoted, this isn't a new thing. If someone keeps not scoring from them, why keep giving them the ball? Portugal have Fernandes and Silva who are both excellent at free kicks, logic surely says let them try at some stage. Or, keep feeding the ego and not scoring 🤷‍♀️
I can't speak with too much authority on that, as I don't know how good all their other players are at fee kicks. If Ronaldo wasn't there, then I'd have guessed as well Bruno would be an option, he takes them at United. Having said that, I think Bruno has actually only ever scored from ONE free kick in the Premier League.

The question I'd wonder is, how many free kicks are actually scored, because it is probably quite a low percentage. I certainly wouldn't say Ronaldo is one of the best free kick takers of all time, but the question would be if I was one of the Portuguese players (especially one that definitely wouldn't be taking a free kick), would I want Ronaldo taking it or someone else?

I know many in here love to make it all about Ronaldo, and then accuse Ronaldo of making it all about himself, which I find comedy gold. And I certainly don't disagree that he has a big ego. But, I also don't think it can be argued that football, and playing for Portugal means the world to him. The other day, we had one poster blasting the England players for not having passion (which I didn't agree with btw). And then a day later, Ronaldo is being accused of faking passion. So many accuse Kane of dropping too deep, and he should stay up front. And then people thrash Ronaldo, even though he effectively stays up front. The other day kids ran on the pitch and Ronaldo showed warmth to them, and one on here suggested the pitch invasions were his fault (rather than the stewards) for reacting like this, although no doubt if he gave the kid the cold shoulder, he'd also have been blasted for his cold reaction.

I actually enjoyed watching Portugal play, and Ronaldo was always a threat in the box, although so many crosses were poor. I just think Slovenia had one of those days where they defended brilliantly
 

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You can keep saying it, but it doesn't make it any more true. In your opinion, yes, that is fine. But I'm sure others have seen both live and think the opposite.

I love both players, absolutely amazing. I'd pick Ronaldo if I had to, as if I had to build the perfect footballer on FIFA, I'd build a Ronaldo rather than a Messi. But, in reality, it doesn't really matter, just glad I got to see both play. Wish I could have seen Best and Maradona in their prime
Well, to add to the meaningless anecdotal evidence, I've seen him live a number of times (when he was in Madrid) and he was dreadful. They were effectively playing with 10 men.
Football is a team game, the obsession with individuals (especially has beens) is just a media narrative/construct for clicks and eyeballs.
Maradona in Napoli I'll give a pass to though ;-)
 

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I can't speak with too much authority on that, as I don't know how good all their other players are at fee kicks. If Ronaldo wasn't there, then I'd have guessed as well Bruno would be an option, he takes them at United. Having said that, I think Bruno has actually only ever scored from ONE free kick in the Premier League.

The question I'd wonder is, how many free kicks are actually scored, because it is probably quite a low percentage. I certainly wouldn't say Ronaldo is one of the best free kick takers of all time, but the question would be if I was one of the Portuguese players (especially one that definitely wouldn't be taking a free kick), would I want Ronaldo taking it or someone else?
If he has scored 1 in 60 then I would definitely want someone else having a go. Portugal have some wonderful players, try one of them, see what happens. Allowing him this indulgence weakens the team. Up to them 🤷‍♀️
 

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You can keep saying it, but it doesn't make it any more true. In your opinion, yes, that is fine. But I'm sure others have seen both live and think the opposite.

I love both players, absolutely amazing. I'd pick Ronaldo if I had to, as if I had to build the perfect footballer on FIFA, I'd build a Ronaldo rather than a Messi. But, in reality, it doesn't really matter, just glad I got to see both play. Wish I could have seen Best and Maradona in their prime
& Clough as a center forward.
Seen them all & Ronaldo is the most complete footballer ever.... love him or hate him... it doesn't change things.
 

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If he has scored 1 in 60 then I would definitely want someone else having a go. Portugal have some wonderful players, try one of them, see what happens. Allowing him this indulgence weakens the team. Up to them 🤷‍♀️

There is no doubt in my mind that if they put - Ramos , Jota or Conceicao maybe even Felix in that role then Portugal would be massive favourites

Adding a dynamic forward is the missing ingredient for Portugal
 

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& Clough as a center forward.
Seen them all & Ronaldo is the most complete footballer ever.... love him or hate him... it doesn't change things.
Saw Best in the Fulham era alongside Marsh. Well past it of course but every so often there would be that one dribble or bit of skill and you would just shake your head at what you'd seen (and what a player he should have been). Cloughie apparently was a force of nature upfront
 
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