The Footie Thread

[hairball_89]

I don't like it but the aim was to quiten the crowd, disrupt the rhythm of Leeds. The answer was for the ref to book Pickford within the first 5-10 minutes. Instead we just kept pointing at his watch, adding time. That doesn't resolve the problem, stop the time wasting. It's within the powers of the refs, over to them.

How many times do we see this so obviously? I've lost count of the number of times a ref has had a go at a keeper in the first half, then waited until 84 minutes to book him. I'm all for "here's your warning. the next one is a yellow" but that has to happen, whether it's 5 mins in or 5 mins from FT. As mentioned a lot, Newcastle's tactics very nearly worked yesterday. And they got what they deserved when Marriner actually added on the time. But how many times do teams get away with it? Far too many for me.

I don't really think anybody enjoys watching it either, whether it's the team you're playing or your own team. It's not fun. it's not enjoyable to watch. it just makes watching football annoying.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How many times do we see this so obviously? I've lost count of the number of times a ref has had a go at a keeper in the first half, then waited until 84 minutes to book him. I'm all for "here's your warning. the next one is a yellow" but that has to happen, whether it's 5 mins in or 5 mins from FT. As mentioned a lot, Newcastle's tactics very nearly worked yesterday. And they got what they deserved when Marriner actually added on the time. But how many times do teams get away with it? Far too many for me.

I don't really think anybody enjoys watching it either, whether it's the team you're playing or your own team. It's not fun. it's not enjoyable to watch. it just makes watching football annoying.

Totally agree. I believe someone timed Pickford as taking 1 minute for a goal kick in the first half. That's a nonsense. I don't want my team doing that, certainly not in the first half of a game.

 

[Neilds]

Easy way to stop the majority of time wasting is to play on when a player goes down and it is not a head injury. The worst one for me is when players are on their feet and then when the ball is dead, they just sit down in the middle of the pitch. It was ok a second ago when you were walking, if you need 'treatment' that badly, then walk to the side of the pitch

 

[RichA]

My team have been time wasting irritatingly for a couple of years. Wasn't necessary last night against Man City though.
It's time for a rule change - ref stops the clock in certain circumstances so everyone knows precisely how long is left. Seems like an idiotically simple solution to something that is spoiling professional football. If you want to run down the clock, do it by exercising skill while the ball is in play - just not quite how Richarlison attempted to do.

 

[pendodave]

After we've changed to a stopping clock, we'll be astonished that it took so long.
A little like changing the backpass rule. Can you imagine how much actual football would be played if 'keepers could still pick it up ??

 

[Jimaroid]

Easy way to stop the majority of time wasting is to play on when a player goes down and it is not a head injury. The worst one for me is when players are on their feet and then when the ball is dead, they just sit down in the middle of the pitch. It was ok a second ago when you were walking, if you need 'treatment' that badly, then walk to the side of the pitch

I don't think it'd work. There was a perfect example in the Leeds-Everton game, Rodrigo went down on his knees with a dislocated shoulder, play continued when in retrospect it shouldn't have but it looked innocuous at first even to the players and ref on the pitch.

If players stopped feigning injury, real incidents like that would deservedly stop play.

Personally I don't think it can be stopped especially when it seems all professional footballers hold the view that "they're entitled to go down". It's just become part of the game now - not that I like it.

 

[Swango1980]

Easy way to stop the majority of time wasting is to play on when a player goes down and it is not a head injury. The worst one for me is when players are on their feet and then when the ball is dead, they just sit down in the middle of the pitch. It was ok a second ago when you were walking, if you need 'treatment' that badly, then walk to the side of the pitch

It would, and we always hear "the ref will only stop play for a head injury". However, bizarrely sometimes that is not the case, and the ref will stop play anyway (I mean, I'd understand if a player had a bone sticking out of their leg, but often the ref will stop it for something that looks trivial).

Also, if a goalkeeper goes down injured, or a defender goes down close to their own goal line, do fans genuinely want to see play continue? If a player is genuinely injured, and the opposition kick the ball into an unguarded net, or a defender is playing everyone onside, it won't sit right. Sure, if the player is faking it, served them right. But, we can never be 100% sure they are, and there will be a lot of times we'd actually see that they could have been hurt after some contact in the non-head region. So, there are situations in which you can see why a ref will stop play for other types of injuries, depending on what position they play and where they are on the pitch.

Of course, even if play is not stopped, once the ball finally goes out of play, then time is wasted at that point as a player is treated. The ref will not restart the game with a player "injured" on the floor. So, to end that you'd have to say a ref must start play, and the player can just be treated on the pitch. Again, not really feasible if it is a goalkeeper, or a defender lying near his own goal line.

 

[nickjdavis]

So....transfer deadline day is upon us.

Does your team need anyone else in through the doors? Do you want to see a player offloaded?

As a Newcastle telly clapper (best clarify my validity to comment on such matters) we need someone to fashion the bullets for Isak to fire....he looks like a proper striker who knows how to finish. I'd therefore like to see a creative midfielder who can also contribute goals....would have loved to see Maddison come in but that's not going to happen. Tielemans is being touted but not sure about him. Basically in an ideal world someone out there will have cloned Peter Beardsley.

 

[fundy]

We badly need a central/defensive midfielder, we basically have Partey (injured or is he?), Elneny(injured/not good enough) and Sambi (not ready). Plan was to use Zinchenko in there at times too but hes also carrying a knock and having to cover for the eternally injured Tierney. Expect we try and add cover for the wide attacking roles too but far less important

More likely to be a few outs, Bellerin, Maitlin Niles etc

 

[Piece]

So....transfer deadline day is upon us.

Does your team need anyone else in through the doors? Do you want to see a player offloaded?

As a Newcastle telly clapper (best clarify my validity to comment on such matters) we need someone to fashion the bullets for Isak to fire....he looks like a proper striker who knows how to finish. I'd therefore like to see a creative midfielder who can also contribute goals....would have loved to see Maddison come in but that's not going to happen. Tielemans is being touted but not sure about him. Basically in an ideal world someone out there will have cloned Peter Beardsley.

We need plenty, especially in defence. In fact, a new defence. And more midfielders in the Choudhury vain. Must keep Pedro, but acknowledge he's too good for us now.

 

[ColchesterFC]

So....transfer deadline day is upon us.

Does your team need anyone else in through the doors? Do you want to see a player offloaded?

My lot need a goalkeeper. We also need 4 defenders, 4 midfielders and 2 strikers. And it would be a massive bonus if we could get a new owner and manager as well.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Everton - A striker please. Any striker, ideally one that will actually score goals though, not just miss them.

 

[Swango1980]

So....transfer deadline day is upon us.

Does your team need anyone else in through the doors? Do you want to see a player offloaded?

As a Newcastle telly clapper (best clarify my validity to comment on such matters) we need someone to fashion the bullets for Isak to fire....he looks like a proper striker who knows how to finish. I'd therefore like to see a creative midfielder who can also contribute goals....would have loved to see Maddison come in but that's not going to happen. Tielemans is being touted but not sure about him. Basically in an ideal world someone out there will have cloned Peter Beardsley.

Man Utd could do with Haaland, De Bruyne, Foden, Silva, Rodri, Dias, Cancelo, Walker and Ederson. However, I suspect those deals will not be done

I'm happy enough with the signings we have made, albeit some still need to prove themselves. Lots talk about Martinez's height (ironic, as he has just played in a league based in a nation that is known to have the tallest population on the planet), but I like the passion and guts he shows. I like the early signs shown by Malacia, Eriksen is a class act, Casemiro a winner and position we definitely needed to fill and am intrigued to see what this Antony is like.

Will also be good to finally stop talking about Ronaldo's situation, either way. And I have no idea if talks with De Jong officially stopped long ago, or it has just gone quiet due to the other signings we made in last couple of weeks.

 

[Blue in Munich]

That assumes the ref knows what is and what isn’t.
They had to be instructed to add time on as last season they didn’t know
There is a need for a timekeeper imo .
The refs have enough to do with all the cheating and diving ,feigning a head injury works if all else fails.

I've been asking for that for years.

 

[clubchamp98]

I don't think it'd work. There was a perfect example in the Leeds-Everton game, Rodrigo went down on his knees with a dislocated shoulder, play continued when in retrospect it shouldn't have but it looked innocuous at first even to the players and ref on the pitch.

If players stopped feigning injury, real incidents like that would deservedly stop play.

Personally I don't think it can be stopped especially when it seems all professional footballers hold the view that "they're entitled to go down". It's just become part of the game now - not that I like it.

Why not try just let one of the physios to come on the pitch during play.
The player gets attention straight away if he is hurt. Especially if it’s a head injury.
If he’s not hurt they are playing with 10 men until play stops as he would still have to go off the pitch.
If the phisio interferes with play or it’s a serious injury then stop play using the fourth official as these are all miked up and in touch with each other.
Something has to be done

 

[Blue in Munich]

Why not try just let one of the physios to come on the pitch during play.
The player gets attention straight away if he is hurt. Especially if it’s a head injury.
If he’s not hurt they are playing with 10 men until play stops as he would still have to go off the pitch.
If the phisio interferes with play or it’s a serious injury then stop play using the fourth official as these are all miked up and in touch with each other.
Something has to be done

This. ^^^

I'd say it's getting ridiculous but it reached that stage some time ago. Refs either ignore or point at their watch & do nothing, save for one memorable occasion this season when a keeper waited whilst the referee was apparently lecturing his captain about the need to speed up play, then immediately booked the goalkeeper for not taking the kick whilst he was talking to the captain.

External timekeeper. If the ball is out of play or in the keeper's hands the clock stops. Clock restarts when the ball is put back into play. 30 minutes each way. Job done.

 

[Swango1980]

Why not try just let one of the physios to come on the pitch during play.
The player gets attention straight away if he is hurt. Especially if it’s a head injury.
If he’s not hurt they are playing with 10 men until play stops as he would still have to go off the pitch.
If the phisio interferes with play or it’s a serious injury then stop play using the fourth official as these are all miked up and in touch with each other.
Something has to be done

Sounds good. But, would you make exception to a goalkeeper? What about a player who is injured near his goal line, thus playing everyone onside. Or a player getting treatment in the box while a corner comes in? There are probably many situations that this would not actually work very well at all. It is probably not worth doing unless the referee still lets play continue after there is a break in play, while the player is still treated. Because, if a player goes down injured, it usually isn't long before there is a stop in play for something anyway. The current biggest waste of time is not the initial point the player goes down injured (as ref won't normally stop play unless it is a head injury), it is the time wasted after the ball goes out of play.

 

[Swango1980]

This. ^^^

I'd say it's getting ridiculous but it reached that stage some time ago. Refs either ignore or point at their watch & do nothing, save for one memorable occasion this season when a keeper waited whilst the referee was apparently lecturing his captain about the need to speed up play, then immediately booked the goalkeeper for not taking the kick whilst he was talking to the captain.

External timekeeper. If the ball is out of play or in the keeper's hands the clock stops. Clock restarts when the ball is put back into play. 30 minutes each way. Job done.

That is a fundamental change to the game of football, moving away from 45 minutes each way. Not saying it couldn't be done, it is just a big change. No idea how much time the ball is out of play generally, but wondering if some games might end up being as short as 35 minutes each way? After all, if literally no time wasting is rewarded, it might be surprising how quickly some games would last.

 

[Blue in Munich]

That is a fundamental change to the game of football, moving away from 45 minutes each way. Not saying it couldn't be done, it is just a big change. No idea how much time the ball is out of play generally, but wondering if some games might end up being as short as 35 minutes each way? After all, if literally no time wasting is rewarded, it might be surprising how quickly some games would last.

Given that at the moment seeing the ball in play for 60 minutes is the exception rather than the rule, it's hardly the fundamental change you claim; if anything, unless the teams drop the time wasting, 30 minutes of actual play will take longer than the 45 minutes each way currently being played.

https://talksport.com/football/3159...emier-league-side-201718-season-171127263506/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61342349

 

[Swango1980]

Given that at the moment seeing the ball in play for 60 minutes is the exception rather than the rule, it's hardly the fundamental change you claim; if anything, unless the teams drop the time wasting, 30 minutes of actual play will take longer than the 45 minutes each way currently being played.

https://talksport.com/football/3159...emier-league-side-201718-season-171127263506/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61342349

I'd still say it is a major fundamental change to the way we know football (I.e 45 minutes each way). As such, I suspect it is incredibly unlikely. Not impossible, just unlikely