The Footie Thread

[pokerjoke]

Some brilliant football tonight.

Arsenal in the first half were as good as I've seen them for years. Pace, intensity, pressing and superb football. The only downside was the lack of end product infront of goal, should've easily been 4-0 up. I still question their ability to finish Top 4 based on that and one bad injury to Jesus.

City v Forest was like a training match, men against boys. Haaland was fouled badly for his first but was so powerful he simply shrugged it off. What a beast.

Liverpool lacked quality and looked really poor going forward but they kept on and totally deserved the winner for all the disgraceful time wasting from Newcastle. Under no circumstances should the game be stopped for cramp, it's not an injury just a lack of fitness. Newcastle had numerous players down for it from 65 mins onwards. Credit to the ref for adding the time on at the end of injury time for more time wasting! Huge win for Liverpool with key attackers missing.

Cramp is caused from many things and lack of fitness could be one.
Even the fittest get cramps.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Cramp is caused from many things and lack of fitness could be one.
Even the fittest get cramps.

I've watched plenty of football and ive never seen players going down with cramp after 10 minutes and every 10mins thereafter. Newcastle had 5 subs to choose from to change it??

On tonights game, i'm still fuming even after that late winner. I totally understand Newcastles tactics from the off, no issue whatsoever.

Delaying goal kicks, going down holding heads and stopping play every couple of minutes, breaking up play every 2 mins etc etc.

Referee not getting a grip of it and not adding enough time on at the end of both halves is what has annoyed me.

That said, celebrating a winner in added time is something else???

Karma?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I can hear @Stuart_C shouting down here in London

I was only whispering aswell??

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Well we were told the refs were going to deal with it.
They have by adding time on ,but they should book a few as well.

The whole Newcastle team could've been booked, they were all at it from 2mins 24secs when Pope started.

 

[PJ87]

I've watched plenty of football and ive never seen players going down with cramp after 10 minutes and every 10mins thereafter. Newcastle had 5 subs to choose from to change it??

On tonights game, i'm still fuming even after that late winner. I totally understand Newcastles tactics from the off, no issue whatsoever.

Delaying goal kicks, going down holding heads and stopping play every couple of minutes, breaking up play every 2 mins etc etc.

Referee not getting a grip of it and not adding enough time on at the end of both halves is what has annoyed me.

That said, celebrating a winner in added time is something else???

Karma?

Spurs were trying it from the moment they scored last night .. then soon as we equalised the game sped back up and we looked the most likely to win it because they left so many gaps.

It does make the game so boring when players just don't get on with it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I've watched plenty of football and ive never seen players going down with cramp after 10 minutes and every 10mins thereafter. Newcastle had 5 subs to choose from to change it??

On tonights game, i'm still fuming even after that late winner. I totally understand Newcastles tactics from the off, no issue whatsoever.

Delaying goal kicks, going down holding heads and stopping play every couple of minutes, breaking up play every 2 mins etc etc.

Referee not getting a grip of it and not adding enough time on at the end of both halves is what has annoyed me.

That said, celebrating a winner in added time is something else???

Karma?

Seems Howe demanding an explanation on why there was an extra 3 mins on the added time

Maybe he needs to look at his players and how they acted

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Can we have an agreement that all team wast time, dive, cheat, etc. some worse than others (Wolves, Palace, Everton).Then we don’t have to have pages of complaints about it every week.

 

[Dando]

Can we have an agreement that all team wast time, dive, cheat, etc. some worse than others (Wolves, Palace, Everton).Then we don’t have to have pages of complaints about it every week.

if there are no arguments, then most of the posters wouldn't have a life

 

[Swango1980]

I reckon it would be a good idea that, if a ref ever thinks a player is wasting time, not only do they add that time back on, but they add on a full additional minute.

Sure, there will be occasions it will be a subjective call. But, it will give incentive to players to keep playing so the final whistle comes earlier. Otherwise, they might face 20 minutes of injury time. It is a lot, but it would be great to have that as a reason for players to just get on with it if they possibly can.

Furthermore, if a ref is in a position that they need to book a player for time wasting, they should not only give the yellow, but add an extra 2 minutes. That will make sure goalkeepers get on with it.

 

[Orikoru]

I reckon it would be a good idea that, if a ref ever thinks a player is wasting time, not only do they add that time back on, but they add on a full additional minute.

Sure, there will be occasions it will be a subjective call. But, it will give incentive to players to keep playing so the final whistle comes earlier. Otherwise, they might face 20 minutes of injury time. It is a lot, but it would be great to have that as a reason for players to just get on with it if they possibly can.

Furthermore, if a ref is in a position that they need to book a player for time wasting, they should not only give the yellow, but add an extra 2 minutes. That will make sure goalkeepers get on with it.

That will go well on evening kick-offs when everyone in the stadium misses their train.

 

[Tashyboy]

Can we have an agreement that all team wast time, dive, cheat, etc. some worse than others (Wolves, Palace, Everton).Then we don’t have to have pages of complaints about it every week.

They do but some are a lot better at it than others.

 

[clubchamp98]

I reckon it would be a good idea that, if a ref ever thinks a player is wasting time, not only do they add that time back on, but they add on a full additional minute.

Sure, there will be occasions it will be a subjective call. But, it will give incentive to players to keep playing so the final whistle comes earlier. Otherwise, they might face 20 minutes of injury time. It is a lot, but it would be great to have that as a reason for players to just get on with it if they possibly can.

Furthermore, if a ref is in a position that they need to book a player for time wasting, they should not only give the yellow, but add an extra 2 minutes. That will make sure goalkeepers get on with it.

That assumes the ref knows what is and what isn’t.
They had to be instructed to add time on as last season they didn’t know
There is a need for a timekeeper imo .
The refs have enough to do with all the cheating and diving ,feigning a head injury works if all else fails.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Seems Howe demanding an explanation on why there was an extra 3 mins on the added time

Maybe he needs to look at his players and how they acted

Really?? Him and his assistant were complicit in the tactics. Rolling the ball onto the pitch from the touchline as we're about to take a freekick etc.

It was funny when Joelinton was down for the 79th time that we just carried on playing around him and the ref did nothing ?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Can we have an agreement that all team wast time, dive, cheat, etc. some worse than others (Wolves, Palace, Everton).Then we don’t have to have pages of complaints about it every week.

Theres wasting time then there's those levels last night and what i seen in the Leeds v Everton Palace v Brentford game the night before.

 

[fundy]

Theres wasting time then there's those levels last night and what i seen in the Leeds v Everton Palace v Brentford game the night before.

Its definitely getting worse and refs are definitely not getting control of it despite claiming to

 

[Deleted member 1740]

That assumes the ref knows what is and what isn’t.
They had to be instructed to add time on as last season they didn’t know
There is a need for a timekeeper imo .
The refs have enough to do with all the cheating and diving ,feigning a head injury works if all else fails.

This needs to stop, teams are using it as a tactic to delay the game. Its wrong.

Along with multi ball, its actually slowing the games down. Ball goes into the away crowd, they keep hold of it, play restarts then they throw the ball back and now theres 2 balls on the pitch. Play gets stopped.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Theres wasting time then there's those levels last night and what i seen in the Leeds v Everton Palace v Brentford game the night before.

Everton we’re embarrassing. Time wasting from 2 minutes in. It just shows how inept and out of his depth Lampard is as a manager.

The irritating thing about it was the ref. He kept pointing to his watch but did nothing about it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Everton we’re embarrassing. Time wasting from 2 minutes in. It just shows how inept and out of his depth Lampard is as a manager.

The irritating thing about it was the ref. He kept pointing to his watch but did nothing about it.

I don't like it but the aim was to quiten the crowd, disrupt the rhythm of Leeds. The answer was for the ref to book Pickford within the first 5-10 minutes. Instead we just kept pointing at his watch, adding time. That doesn't resolve the problem, stop the time wasting. It's within the powers of the refs, over to them.

 

[Piece]

LOL. I went to bed thinking it was Liv 1-1 Newcastle (don't have BT Sport). Woke up and starting watching SkySports News and the ticker said 2-1...I thought that was a typo and then realised!!

I would call Newcastle's approach as "reducing the tempo", rather than time-wasting...

 

[Swango1980]

That will go well on evening kick-offs when everyone in the stadium misses their train.

True, although loads of fans leave early anyway

Ultimately, the primary reason a team does it is to minimise the amount of time the ball is in play for the opposition to score. Players should still be booked for obvious time wasting, as it also can disrupt momentum of the game. However, clearly players will continue to go unpunished for many circumstances. You can only book them if they are obviously pushing their luck, not just going over 1 second compared to how they could have got playing going at their quickest. You also can't book players for "cramp" or other injuries they are pretending to have. It is likely they are faking it, but you can never be certain.

A timekeeper is not a bad idea, but even if they stop the play for these situations, and start it again as soon as play starts again, there is bound to be a little time wasted before the timekeeper was convinced the clock should be stopped, whilst the momentum of play has still been halted. So, I'd still be happy if such circumstances actually resulted in additional bonus time being added to the game, thus ensuring that time wasters no longer waste time, but actually give more time.

It would be interesting if a league table of time penalties was produced, to see what teams were most guilty of this. If teams reached certain thresholds, then the club was punished in some way.

PS I threw up an value of injury time of 20 minutes as extreme. I'd still be willing to accept it if a team was that bad at wasting time. However, I'd like to think that if new guidelines were introduced, it is unlikely teams will continue to waste time too easily. If they did, maybe 5 minutes of injury time might start pushing towards 10 minutes. Also, I'm sure many Liverpool fans at the game last night were getting annoyed with the time wasting. How many of them would have been gutted if 20 minutes of injury time was announced? I reckon the vast majority would have been loving it.