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Well Brightons not top of the league and I wonder if we get 10 pages of where it’s gone wrong at Chelsea like we do other teams ?
That said, and Ave said before just love these unexpected results.
 

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A guy i Know called Martin Hibbert, he is a Forest fan.He is cycling to every premier league ground in the country this season. He is doing it for charity. Tomorrow he is on his way to City.
Good luck Martin.
 

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Well done Fulham, they were the better team tonight, Brighton were just not at the races, very disappointing.
When I looks at the south coast and see how well Saints Brighton and Bournemouth are
Doing so well. The mind boggles. The people running these clubs do a fantastic job. Be interesting to see how Bournemouth do in choosing there next gaffer. Hope Dyche don’t get a sniff he is 1980’s style.
 

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Some promising stuff from the lads in pink tonight. Patterson, Onana, Coady all providing a bit of hope. Leeds dominated in the second half but some much better defensive play. A decent match and draw. Actually happy with that. ?
 

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Some promising stuff from the lads in pink tonight. Patterson, Onana, Coady all providing a bit of hope. Leeds dominated in the second half but some much better defensive play. A decent match and draw. Actually happy with that. ?
The fitness of both teams tonight was remarkable. That game was non stop.

Patterson and Onana were the two stand outs for me tonight, for us. Really excellent.

I'm not sure we can play that way every away game though. Hopefully that was a holding display, whilst we wait for our new wonder striker and injured players to come back ?. Did they say how much Gray was offside by for his disallowed goal? Must have been mm's.
 

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Did they say how much Gray was offside by for his disallowed goal? Must have been mm's.

Don’t think they did but the VAR pic was showing a red line on the shoulder which means it was bigger than the 5cm tolerance.

He looked well off at first to me but the grass lines made it look a lot closer in the replay. I had no issue with that one.

Shame Patterson missed a great chance, the way he played tonight would have been a lovely bonus. Also great to see him pushing forward on the overlap even if he’s not getting the ball through. ?‍♀️

Also thought Iwobi did well, put in a lot of effort even though there were some silly mistakes. I think he’s improving a lot under Frank, nice to see.
 

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You buy in some of the best in the world, scouring the world, at both a young age and then late teens, you accumulate young talent (as do Real, Barcelona, etc), so it's no wonder so many ultimately make it. They just rarely do it with you. To maximise their potential they have to leave. That's not something to be proud about.

So how many academy graduates in the City team at the moment then; does it beat the 5 we had in the starting line up on Saturday? And Barcelona have just taken one of our academy graduates on a free.

Given the percentage of apprentices that make it in football, and the level at which we aim to be, there's no shame at all in the fact that players have to leave to maximise their potential.

If you view Tammy Abraham at Roma, Fikayo Tomori at AC Milan, Tino Livramento at Southampton, Nathan Ake at Manchester City, Marc Guehi ay Crystal Palace, Tariq Lamptey at Brighton, Andreas Christensen at Barcelona, Ryan Bertrand at Leicester, Dominic Solanke at Bournemouth (via Liverpool), Bertrand Traore at Aston Villa, Ola Aina at Fulham and Mason Mount, Conor Gallagher, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Trevoh Chalobah and Reece James at Chelsea as evidence of failure of the academy then you're either a very hard taskmaster or you have no concept of how hard it is to make it at that level.
The point isn't whether your academy develops players, it's whether the club is a good place to go for an aspiring young player or will they largely get splinters or farmed out? The beginning of your post shows the difficulties for so many. All of those had to leave Chelsea to get regular first team action. The way the club works it wants instant players, it rarely has the patience to develop them. The academy is a very successful money maker, no question.

The five you mention currently at Chelsea, it looks as though Gallagher and Chalobah will move this window but the remaining 3 seem to be getting to be more regular game time. That's great to see, they are all quality players.

If Gordon goes to Chelsea I doubt he will start 15 games for you this season. That can't be good for his development.

Tariq Lamptey was sold because he declined the new contract he was offered; the main reason that he didn't sign is because another academy graduate Reece James was ahead of him for that position. So it's not something to be proud of that he chose to leave because the academy had produced two international class players at the same time in the same position?

Tammy Abraham made 56 Premier League, 6 FA Cup, 3 League Cup & 13 European appearances in the 2 years before he left for Roma, primarily due to the change of manager, but it's clearly untrue that he had to leave to get regular first team action.

Andreas Christensen played 161 first team games over his main 5 years at Chelsea, which considering the amount of time he was sick or injured clearly proves he did not need to leave Chelsea to get first team football. Because of being sanctioned, Chelsea were unable to renegotiate a new contract and he chose to take up an offer from Barcelona. But it's clearly incorrect that he had to leave Chelsea to get first team football.

Marc Guehi, having established himself as a regular at Swansea , did not want to extend his contract and was therefore sold. Speaking on his time at Chelsea, Guehi continued: "Being at Chelsea really helped me in my development, getting better and helping myself excel. "I said goodbye to everyone, to the coaches that coached me since I was young and the people that helped me get to this stage. I’m extremely grateful for their help." So the club would appear to be a good place to go as an aspiring young player, according to one of the graduates.

Ryan Bertrand made 57 first team appearances, including a medal-winning European Cup debut in the final in Munich. The primary reason that Ryan Bertrand got so little first team football was that as a left back he was competing for the position with Ashley Cole; if you've got someone that good ahead of you you can't really expect regular first team football. On the 'unbelievable' Cole, who he competed with for a first-team spot, he has nothing but glowing praise. 'Fans will be fans, you know, on his back and even on the outside the toughest of times, but his attitude to training, the way he would come out and train and play, was amazing.' So being at Chelsea was certainly good for that young player.

Fikayo Tomori was establishing himself as a first team regular but then inexplicably fell down the pecking order, but 22 appearances in one season doesn't suggest that he needed to leave to get first team football.

Tino Livramento declined to sign a new contract aged 18 & signed for Southampton. I'm not sure if we didn't give him a chance or if he didn't give Chelsea a chance.

Not exactly correct then that all of those had to leave Chelsea to get regular first team action, or that it's a bad place for aspiring footballers to go? :rolleyes: Just because you dislike the club or its methods doesn't necessarily make them wrong.
 

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Tariq Lamptey was sold because he declined the new contract he was offered; the main reason that he didn't sign is because another academy graduate Reece James was ahead of him for that position. So it's not something to be proud of that he chose to leave because the academy had produced two international class players at the same time in the same position?

Tammy Abraham made 56 Premier League, 6 FA Cup, 3 League Cup & 13 European appearances in the 2 years before he left for Roma, primarily due to the change of manager, but it's clearly untrue that he had to leave to get regular first team action.

Andreas Christensen played 161 first team games over his main 5 years at Chelsea, which considering the amount of time he was sick or injured clearly proves he did not need to leave Chelsea to get first team football. Because of being sanctioned, Chelsea were unable to renegotiate a new contract and he chose to take up an offer from Barcelona. But it's clearly incorrect that he had to leave Chelsea to get first team football.

Marc Guehi, having established himself as a regular at Swansea , did not want to extend his contract and was therefore sold. Speaking on his time at Chelsea, Guehi continued: "Being at Chelsea really helped me in my development, getting better and helping myself excel. "I said goodbye to everyone, to the coaches that coached me since I was young and the people that helped me get to this stage. I’m extremely grateful for their help." So the club would appear to be a good place to go as an aspiring young player, according to one of the graduates.

Ryan Bertrand made 57 first team appearances, including a medal-winning European Cup debut in the final in Munich. The primary reason that Ryan Bertrand got so little first team football was that as a left back he was competing for the position with Ashley Cole; if you've got someone that good ahead of you you can't really expect regular first team football. On the 'unbelievable' Cole, who he competed with for a first-team spot, he has nothing but glowing praise. 'Fans will be fans, you know, on his back and even on the outside the toughest of times, but his attitude to training, the way he would come out and train and play, was amazing.' So being at Chelsea was certainly good for that young player.

Fikayo Tomori was establishing himself as a first team regular but then inexplicably fell down the pecking order, but 22 appearances in one season doesn't suggest that he needed to leave to get first team football.

Tino Livramento declined to sign a new contract aged 18 & signed for Southampton. I'm not sure if we didn't give him a chance or if he didn't give Chelsea a chance.

Not exactly correct then that all of those had to leave Chelsea to get regular first team action, or that it's a bad place for aspiring footballers to go? :rolleyes: Just because you dislike the club or its methods doesn't necessarily make them wrong.


Come on Rich, that is too sensible a post to be given any sort of credit in this thread. Can you please embellish with some unwarranted hyperbole.
 

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I mean correct decision made , head first then hand etc blah . But my life it takes an age to get there

Edit 4.5 mins apparently!
 
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