The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 1740]

Blimey, a much smaller club then.

Yeah not as small as Palace though?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Just dont see the hype with Gordon, maybe Im wrong but not seen anything that makes him more than a 20m player apart from being British. I like Broja, think he'd do a decent job for mid prem sides and think Gallagher has the potential to be top class

Id have Toney at Arsenal in a heartbeat, have said that for a couple of years

I dont neither, though if he stayed on his feet we may see more of his actual ability.

I have a real dislike for him though after seeing him perfect the diving along with the scream last season.

Gallagher was quality last season for Palace, i praised them a fair bit last season under Viera. A completely different side from the tripe Hodgson served up.

I feel for Gallagher though, Tuchel rang him during the off season and told him he wanted him at Chelsea this season. After a couple of games he's being touted to leave, very strange.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Hudson Odoi the one that stands out for me, looked a potential world beater a few years ago, massive rep coming through the ranks

A ruptured Achilles’ tendon does tend to stunt your progress.

 

[PJ87]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62695883

Have to admit I havent really seen much of him. Lots of excitement around this signing but lets see how he performs

33 caps for brazil by the age of 25 isnt too bad I guess

very impressed with our transfer business tho

Keheri , most used german player since flick took over (can also play RB, CB, LB and CDM so our james milner)
Aguerd 25 caps for morocco
Scamacca 7 caps for italy and suppose to be their new number 9
Cornet 29 caps for ivory coast and already premier league proven
Emerson 27 caps for italy and knows the league
Areola 3 caps for france and was our star keeper in europa last season

add downes into the mix for a young back up midfielder

we look much stronger in depth and ive not see us add quality all at once..

£179 million spent

 

[Blue in Munich]

Quite a few players have stagnated at Chelsea.

Probably the worst club for collecting and then not using / developing young talent. Whilst the money is good, it isn't a great long term career plan. Anthony Gordon needs to take this into account.

Very hard to settle there I'd imagine, you need to be a certain type of character. I don't think you are going to get much of an arm around your shoulder and if you don't work quickly then you won't get much chance to grow into the team. It's worked for them but they don't half burn through money and players.

Really?

https://www.scoutedftbl.com/best-young-football-players/academies/

What differentiates Chelsea’s academy to almost every other is the readiness of the players it producdes for senior football: Cobham graduates are often well-rounded players technically, tactically and physically. That enables them to step straight into senior football as teenagers at different levels, whether it be League Two, the Championship, or a smaller European league.

Chelsea’s loan policy has been the subject of much criticism over the years, but it consistently provides young professionals whith invaluable opportunities to develop in competitive environments. Ultimately, it furthers careers and is a significant asset-generator for the club.

https://lastwordonsports.com/football/2021/10/27/best-football-academies-in-europe/

Only one English academy has produced more players currently playing top level European football, and one other English academy has the same number according to this article. So maybe they don't make it with us, but they make it.

Not quite the hell hole that you'd have us believe then?

Still, hopefully Anthony Gordon reads this and keeps his Teflon soled boots at Goodison. If there is any truth in the rumour that we are offering Gallagher, Broja & cash for him I'll be extremely disappointed.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Really?

https://www.scoutedftbl.com/best-young-football-players/academies/

What differentiates Chelsea’s academy to almost every other is the readiness of the players it producdes for senior football: Cobham graduates are often well-rounded players technically, tactically and physically. That enables them to step straight into senior football as teenagers at different levels, whether it be League Two, the Championship, or a smaller European league.

Chelsea’s loan policy has been the subject of much criticism over the years, but it consistently provides young professionals whith invaluable opportunities to develop in competitive environments. Ultimately, it furthers careers and is a significant asset-generator for the club.

https://lastwordonsports.com/football/2021/10/27/best-football-academies-in-europe/

Only one English academy has produced more players currently playing top level European football, and one other English academy has the same number according to this article. So maybe they don't make it with us, but they make it.

Not quite the hell hole that you'd have us believe then?

Still, hopefully Anthony Gordon reads this and keeps his Teflon soled boots at Goodison. If there is any truth in the rumour that we are offering Gallagher, Broja & cash for him I'll be extremely disappointed.

You buy in some of the best in the world, scouring the world, at both a young age and then late teens, you accumulate young talent (as do Real, Barcelona, etc), so it's no wonder so many ultimately make it. They just rarely do it with you. To maximise their potential they have to leave. That's not something to be proud about.

 

[PJ87]

You buy in some of the best in the world, scouring the world, at both a young age and then late teens, you accumulate young talent (as do Real, Barcelona, etc), so it's no wonder so many ultimately make it. They just rarely do it with you. To maximise their potential they have to leave. That's not something to be proud about.

Going to go out on a limb here and defend Chelsea a bit.

Yes they hoover up a lot of young talent but they are willing to take the risk on the players

Back in the day teams could sign players in academies from further afield , we had Micheal Carrick from Newcastle ofc .. now you have to be a certain distance from the club.. so really it's the same as the old day it's just local clubs will get a bit of cash for their young players being signed up by chelsea etc rather than the academies just taking the best talents

 

[Blue in Munich]

You buy in some of the best in the world, you accumulate young talent (as do Real, Barcelona, City etc), so it's no wonder so many ultimately make it. They just rarely do it with you. To maximise their potential they have to leave. That's not something to be proud about.

So how many academy graduates in the City team at the moment then; does it beat the 5 we had in the starting line up on Saturday? And Barcelona have just taken one of our academy graduates on a free.

Given the percentage of apprentices that make it in football, and the level at which we aim to be, there's no shame at all in the fact that players have to leave to maximise their potential.

If you view Tammy Abraham at Roma, Fikayo Tomori at AC Milan, Tina Livramento at Southampton, Nathan Are at Manchester City, Marc Guehi ay Crystal Palace, Tariq Lamptey at Brighton, Andreas Christensen at Barcelona, Ryan Bertrand at Leicester, Dominic Solanke at Bournemouth (via Liverpool), Bertrand Traore at Aston Villa, Ola Aina at Fulham and Mason Mount, Conor Gallagher, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Trevoh Chalobah and Reece James at Chelsea as evidence of failure of the academy then you're either a very hard taskmaster or you have no concept of how hard it is to make it at that level.

 

[PJ87]

So how many academy graduates in the City team at the moment then; does it beat the 5 we had in the starting line up on Saturday? And Barcelona have just taken one of our academy graduates on a free.

Given the percentage of apprentices that make it in football, and the level at which we aim to be, there's no shame at all in the fact that players have to leave to maximise their potential.

If you view Tammy Abraham at Roma, Fikayo Tomori at AC Milan, Tina Livramento at Southampton, Marc Guehi ay Crystal Palace, Tariq Lamptey at Brighton, Andreas Christensen at Barcelona, Ryan Bertrand at Leicester, Dominic Solanke at Bournemouth (via Liverpool), Bertrand Traore at Aston Villa, Ola Aina at Fulham and Mason Mount, Conor Gallagher, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Trevoh Chalobah and Reece James at Chelsea as evidence of failure of the academy then you're either a very hard taskmaster or you have no concept of how hard it is to make it at that level.

you have missed one. Declan Rice. Club captain , 171 premier league appearances by 23.. 32 england caps .. he is very much a chelsea product that we just got by chance .. i mean chelsea have made secret they want him back

 

[GreiginFife]

So who had Scott Parker as first managerial casualty then?

 

[Blue in Munich]

you have missed one. Declan Rice. Club captain , 171 premier league appearances by 23.. 32 england caps .. he is very much a chelsea product that we just got by chance .. i mean chelsea have made secret they want him back

I didn't miss him, I just didn't think we could necessarily claim the credit for one we released as a 14 year old. all the others I believe we kept up to senior level.

 

[Blue in Munich]

So who had Scott Parker as first managerial casualty then?

Not me & possibly harsh; after an opening day win over Villa, they've lost at home to a resurgent Arsenal and away to Man City & Liverpool. It's not like they've gifted points to relegation rivals.

 

[GreiginFife]

Not me & possibly harsh; after an opening day win over Villa, they've lost at home to a resurgent Arsenal and away to Man City & Liverpool. It's not like they've gifted points to relegation rivals.

From the statement I think it's less about results and more about his "outspoken attitude" regarding the way the club do business.

 

[Orikoru]

Not me & possibly harsh; after an opening day win over Villa, they've lost at home to a resurgent Arsenal and away to Man City & Liverpool. It's not like they've gifted points to relegation rivals.

Jesus. Tough crowd or what? I get that they conceded a bucket-load, but really his focus must have been to simply get those out of the way and focus on the games afterwards. Can't believe they've not at least given him a stab in the next two, against Wolves and Forest, as they would have been a fairer test.

 

[BrianM]

So who had Scott Parker as first managerial casualty then?

That’s an absolute shocker, 4 games and tough ones at that.
No team should be getting pumped 9-0 though, maybe the board thought he lost the players after that.
Theres ways of getting beat but not like that, still think it’s tough on Scott Parker, I’d imagine he’ll get another crack in the Championship though.

 

[GreiginFife]

Jesus. Tough crowd or what? I get that they conceded a bucket-load, but really his focus must have been to simply get those out of the way and focus on the games afterwards. Can't believe they've not at least given him a stab in the next two, against Wolves and Forest, as they would have been a fairer test.

That’s an absolute shocker, 4 games and tough ones at that.
No team should be getting pumped 9-0 though, maybe the board thought he lost the players after that.
Theres ways of getting beat but not like that, still think it’s tough on Scott Parker, I’d imagine he’ll get another crack in the Championship though.

From the Statement

"However, in order for us to keep progressing as a team and a Club as a whole, it is unconditional that we are aligned in our strategy to run the club sustainably. We must also show belief in and respect for one another. "

This reads to me less about the results and more about his approach to speaking to the media about the club/players.

 

[Orikoru]

From the Statement

"However, in order for us to keep progressing as a team and a Club as a whole, it is unconditional that we are aligned in our strategy to run the club sustainably. We must also show belief in and respect for one another. "

This reads to me less about the results and more about his approach to speaking to the media about the club/players.

Fair enough. It's not like he's wrong though, their squad is poor and never going to get results against City, Liverpool etc.

 

[Swango1980]

That’s an absolute shocker, 4 games and tough ones at that.
No team should be getting pumped 9-0 though, maybe the board thought he lost the players after that.
Theres ways of getting beat but not like that, still think it’s tough on Scott Parker, I’d imagine he’ll get another crack in the Championship though.

Probably got rid of him for the three stripe pattern on his sleeve.

 

[Don Barzini]

Seems harsh on Scott Parker. Even with those comments, you'd think he might get excused for them after being on the wrong end of a 9-0 loss. Who knows what was subsequently said behind the scences though, I suppose.

Who's gonna come in for him then....?

 

[Tashyboy]

So how many academy graduates in the City team at the moment then; does it beat the 5 we had in the starting line up on Saturday? And Barcelona have just taken one of our academy graduates on a free.

Given the percentage of apprentices that make it in football, and the level at which we aim to be, there's no shame at all in the fact that players have to leave to maximise their potential.

If you view Tammy Abraham at Roma, Fikayo Tomori at AC Milan, Tina Livramento at Southampton, Nathan Are at Manchester City, Marc Guehi ay Crystal Palace, Tariq Lamptey at Brighton, Andreas Christensen at Barcelona, Ryan Bertrand at Leicester, Dominic Solanke at Bournemouth (via Liverpool), Bertrand Traore at Aston Villa, Ola Aina at Fulham and Mason Mount, Conor Gallagher, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Trevoh Chalobah and Reece James at Chelsea as evidence of failure of the academy then you're either a very hard taskmaster or you have no concept of how hard it is to make it at that level.

City have a minimum of 6 academy players in the squad. Another two ( Liam Delap and Mcatee) are out on loan. I suspect the academy for Chelsea is very fruitful in raising money for the club as Citys is. City now seem to have an automatic sell on clause in all the academy players they sell, usually attached with a Buy back clause. ?