The Cricket Thread

[fundy]

2 very soft wickets......Sibley caught short mid wicket again(shock). Is his technique upto it ????

Hameed looked nervous. He's been in good touch so he'll get a good run.

Dan Lawrence had been in good touch, he got 1 dismissal before he was jettisoned lol

Selection policies are an utter joke, preparation of players is clearly sub standard as is the schedule, what happened to committing to players and giving them a run to prove themselves. Guess that only applies if youre a white ball "name"

 

[Piece]

Oh Hameed… Nerves

Will he dropped now?

A good haircut would be a decent start ?

Saw some highlights of Hameeds recent knock and his front foot was planted. No surprise that he got one right up there first ball. More of the same second innings I fear.

Sibley is just rubbish at test level.

 

[fundy]

bowled 81.1 overs today, overs wasted yet again. for some reason it was fine to play until 710pm yesterday, had to stop on the dot at 630 with overs not bowled today, they just take the proverbial out of the paying fan!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The biggest problem I can see with England's batting is technique.

Root aside there is not one who doesn't appear to have completely ignored basic coaching.

Sibley, Burns, Crawley, Lawrence, Pope, Roy etc; all seem to think that an "individual " technique means that basics can be ignored.

Look at the top three batsmen in Test cricket Kohli, Williamson and Root.

Each has individual quirks but essentially their batting is based upon mastery of the basics such as foot movement, head over the ball, bat straight up and down and so on.

The reverse is the case with the others I have named and yet they, and the selectors, seem surprised when they continue to struggle at the top level.

Get back to basics and build upon them!

Not going to happen I know as it would interfere with the god that is white ball cricket yet the top men continue to prove that it is possible to be successful in limited overs whilst retaining a solid basic technique.

 

[Billysboots]

Can Sky arrange a free transfer and offload the infantile Flintoff to the BBC please? As a broadcaster the man is an utter, utter clown.

 

[Billysboots]

The biggest problem I can see with England's batting is technique.

Root aside there is not one who doesn't appear to have completely ignored basic coaching.

Sibley, Burns, Crawley, Lawrence, Pope, Roy etc; all seem to think that an "individual " technique means that basics can be ignored.

Look at the top three batsmen in Test cricket Kohli, Williamson and Root.

Each has individual quirks but essentially their batting is based upon mastery of the basics such as foot movement, head over the ball, bat straight up and down and so on.

The reverse is the case with the others I have named and yet they, and the selectors, seem surprised when they continue to struggle at the top level.

Get back to basics and build upon them!

Not going to happen I know as it would interfere with the god that is white ball cricket yet the top men continue to prove that it is possible to be successful in limited overs whilst retaining a solid basic technique.

Burns’ technique, in particular, is incredible to watch. Twitchy at the crease, and the angle of his backlift is something I have never seen anywhere in my 40+ years watching and playing the game. Somehow he just about seems to get away with it, but nobody will convince me the majority of his approach has been coached - no batting coach teaches what he does.

To a huge extent our batters are paying a heavy price for too much white ball cricket, where improvisation is the order of the day. Hitting across the line and all manner of unorthodox strokes are absolutely necessary to succeed in the crash, bang, wallop of T20 and the dreaded Hundred, but are the last things you want to see creeping into the longer format.

And the thing which amazes me beyond belief is when I hear that prize egotist Kevin Pietersen suggest that the Hundred will benefit our Test side long term. What complete and utter drivel.

We are hugely successful in white ball cricket, so much being geared towards the WC win in 2019. But the impact on our Test performances is there for all to see.

 

[Junior]

Dan Lawrence had been in good touch, he got 1 dismissal before he was jettisoned lol

Selection policies are an utter joke, preparation of players is clearly sub standard as is the schedule, what happened to committing to players and giving them a run to prove themselves. Guess that only applies if youre a white ball "name"

I just don't see what they see in Sibley. The scores he's got seems to be with runs down the third man and fine leg. At least with say Vince there were flashes of brilliance before nicking off in the 20s and 30s. There are not many openers knocking on the door in first class cricket though.

 

[fundy]

Stunning innings by Joe Root, again. Just in a different class to the rest

Siraj was superb for India on a flat one

Paying public robbed of another 7 overs, no one cares as they finish at 630 on the dot again

 

[Tongo]

Stunning innings by Joe Root, again. Just in a different class to the rest

Siraj was superb for India on a flat one

Paying public robbed of another 7 overs, no one cares as they finish at 630 on the dot again

Paying public too busy throwing champagne corks about by the sound of it. To be honest, the cricket at the Lord's test is not really top priority for many who attend, is it?

 

[fundy]

Paying public too busy throwing champagne corks about by the sound of it. To be honest, the cricket at the Lord's test is not really top priority for many who attend, is it?

does that mean that those who for who it is should have to suffer too, paying the ECB £180 for a ticket for them to take the proverbial?

 

[Tongo]

does that mean that those who for who it is should have to suffer too, paying the ECB £180 for a ticket for them to take the proverbial?

If you're willing to pay £180 for a ticket then I'd imagine that over rates are not really an issue / priority! And i'm guessing that it's Lords / the MCC that set the ticket prices not the ECB. For once, the ECB are not to blame. (Although they dont seem the slightest bit bothered in what punters are being charged judging by how many matches are staged there)

I have very mixed feelings about Lord's / the MCC. It's a marvellous stadium and the new stands look fantastic and the MCC do well in playing a huge number of matches across the summer but the whole MCC guff, the tales of snooty, officious staff and the way that the MCC still seems to have an insidious influence on the English domestic game is one of the reasons why the game has such a poor image in this country. As the old saying goes, you can take the ECB out of the MCC but you can't take the MCC out of the ECB.

 

[fundy]

If you're willing to pay £180 for a ticket then I'd imagine that over rates are not really an issue / priority! And i'm guessing that it's Lords / the MCC that set the ticket prices not the ECB. For once, the ECB are not to blame. (Although they dont seem the slightest bit bothered in what punters are being charged judging by how many matches are staged there)

I have very mixed feelings about Lord's / the MCC. It's a marvellous stadium and the new stands look fantastic and the MCC do well in playing a huge number of matches across the summer but the whole MCC guff, the tales of snooty, officious staff and the way that the MCC still seems to have an insidious influence on the English domestic game is one of the reasons why the game has such a poor image in this country. As the old saying goes, you can take the ECB out of the MCC but you can't take the MCC out of the ECB.

i get what youre saying but just because ticket prices are high (and most of the crowd can easily afford them) doesnt excuse them for not delivering the product theyre supposed to which is 90 overs in a day and genuinely not giving a damn about the paying fan in the process. just because you can afford it doesnt mean you dont get annoyed by being short changed surely?

this and other ECB policies was enough to stop me going to Lords test every year as I used to, apologies for harping on but really winds me up

 

[Mudball]

What a day we had at Lords yesterday.. a bit of everything. Not the best seats - last row in the Lower Grand stands. The only plus was that we were out of the sun.

Siraj was exceptional, tried hard to get a fiver. Bumrah’s ‘run up’ is shorter than my 11!yr olds! How the hell does he generate that pace and accuracy? Kohli’s energy level is exceptional. We only seen him in slips & DRS - but he is like a rabbit the whole day. Root was obviously playing a different match than everyone else. Did someone say Sam Curran played yesterday? Also what drama between Boom & Jimmy at the end.

Getting into the ground took a while as it was sold out. The crowd was good. The first champagne pop in our section was just after the first over. Big cheer to that. Unfortunately some idiot started throwing corks at Rahul who was fielding near us. Kohli had a chat to umpires about it (not sure if that was shown on tv). The interloper walking out to field after lunch was clever abs harmless fun. As the day progresses and alcohol kicked in, it got noiser and more partisan. Roooooooo, Jimmy-oh-Jimmy, ‘We got Raveennndra Jadeja’, ‘Kohli is S*it’..
food and drink is expensive, so glad they allow you to bring your own. Went down to the nursery nets to see some of the players practice.

Like many others, We initially thought we would leave early to beat the exodus. Then Bomrah bowled that over. Everyone just froze and got back to their seats. Half expecting to see India bat for a couple of overs.

Jr absolutely enjoyed it. In his words, Test match is not just about blocking. (He is big on defending - which is not always popular in kids cricket)

 

[Billysboots]

Ridiculous stats trotted out on Sky this morning. During 2021 Joe Root has scored five Test centuries, totalling over 1200 runs in the process, nearly NINE HUNDRED more than his nearest team mate.

Is Root that good, the rest of our batting line up that bad, or a combination of the two? Discuss!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Ridiculous stats trotted out on Sky this morning. During 2021 Joe Root has scored five Test centuries, totalling over 1200 runs in the process, nearly NINE HUNDRED more than his nearest team mate.

Is Root that good, the rest of our batting line up that bad, or a combination of the two? Discuss!

Both. Root is world class and currently on a hot streak. It won't last forever but we can enjoy it whilst it lasts.

None of the other batsmen in the team would get near a world XI, wouldn't get in the Indian team, Australian, New Zealand and probably others. It's the thinnest test batting line up I can remember.

 

[Mudball]

On a different and potentially unpopular note .. I fully endorse the idea that every one has the right to be at a sporting event. But there is a place for common sense and consideration.
Saw two young ladies trying to push their prams in the opposite direction of the flow of people going for lunch at Lords yesterday. The volunteers trying to shield the prams from the crowd coming towards them. While people suddenly having to stop and turn to avoid crashing into a pram. You would think common sense and mutual respect would have made the situation much easier ..

 

[Mudball]

Ridiculous stats trotted out on Sky this morning. During 2021 Joe Root has scored five Test centuries, totalling over 1200 runs in the process, nearly NINE HUNDRED more than his nearest team mate.

Is Root that good, the rest of our batting line up that bad, or a combination of the two? Discuss!

Root is on a different planet and playing a different sport. I missed that Stat. Would be interesting to see how much % of the total English Test score in 2021. He has been carrying the team on his back.

 

[fundy]

What a day we had at Lords yesterday.. a bit of everything. Not the best seats - last row in the Lower Grand stands. The only plus was that we were out of the sun.

Siraj was exceptional, tried hard to get a fiver. Bumrah’s ‘run up’ is shorter than my 11!yr olds! How the hell does he generate that pace and accuracy? Kohli’s energy level is exceptional. We only seen him in slips & DRS - but he is like a rabbit the whole day. Root was obviously playing a different match than everyone else. Did someone say Sam Curran played yesterday? Also what drama between Boom & Jimmy at the end.

Getting into the ground took a while as it was sold out. The crowd was good. The first champagne pop in our section was just after the first over. Big cheer to that. Unfortunately some idiot started throwing corks at Rahul who was fielding near us. Kohli had a chat to umpires about it (not sure if that was shown on tv). The interloper walking out to field after lunch was clever abs harmless fun. As the day progresses and alcohol kicked in, it got noiser and more partisan. Roooooooo, Jimmy-oh-Jimmy, ‘We got Raveennndra Jadeja’, ‘Kohli is S*it’..
food and drink is expensive, so glad they allow you to bring your own. Went down to the nursery nets to see some of the players practice.

Like many others, We initially thought we would leave early to beat the exodus. Then Bomrah bowled that over. Everyone just froze and got back to their seats. Half expecting to see India bat for a couple of overs.

Jr absolutely enjoyed it. In his words, Test match is not just about blocking. (He is big on defending - which is not always popular in kids cricket)

glad you, and junior especially, had a good day

 

[fundy]

Ridiculous stats trotted out on Sky this morning. During 2021 Joe Root has scored five Test centuries, totalling over 1200 runs in the process, nearly NINE HUNDRED more than his nearest team mate.

Is Root that good, the rest of our batting line up that bad, or a combination of the two? Discuss!

Both. Next


Table of runs for 2021

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e..._career.html?class=1;id=2021;team=1;type=year

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It's sadly true that Root is way in advance of any other English batsman.

Not only in terms of runs scored but also technique and mental approach.

I can't think of another Test playing nation where there is such a huge gap between their top man and the rest.