RichA
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The biggest problem is that you can't deselect the captain from the starting XI. There's nobody in the current England set up who isn't 5 bad matches from being dropped.
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ColchesterFC
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There are reasons Broad and Anderson wouldnt get it.
A big reason for Broad not being captain would be that he'd burn through all of our reviews in his first over.
Bunkermagnet
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That as well..
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Being captain doesn’t always have to be a burden - Stokes could just as easily flourish with the captaincy, he has already filled in nicely - something needs to change though
They can’t continue in the current vain , Roots captaincy is just as much as an issue as the batting collapses
Given his recent break from cricket to concentrate on his mental well-being, I think there’s more chance of me plaiting fog than Stokes being appointed Test captain any time soon!
Foxholer
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I don't believe the choice of Captaincy and England's performance are particularly related.
It's England's regular/continual woeful batting performances that's the major/real problem and that's separate to most/nearly all of what Captaincy is about.
It's England's regular/continual woeful batting performances that's the major/real problem and that's separate to most/nearly all of what Captaincy is about.
ColchesterFC
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Absolutely. Which is obviously why we dropped our two best bowlers for this latest series ?.
But the lack of cohesion, togetherness and fighting spirit are things the captain can have an influence over. The “red ball reset”, or whatever we’re supposed to call it, requires change to bring our Test side out of the doldrums, and that must include a new skipper.
I said to a mate the day Root was appointed that he did little to inspire confidence in me that he was captaincy material, and I’ve seen nothing which has altered my view. Great batter, lovely guy, but an insipid, uninspiring leader.
Foxholer
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I'd question why that's the Captain's role. His is more tactical, especially when fielding. Any inspirational role could be undertaken by a specialist motivator. The suggestion that the inability of England players to bat is because of lack of being motivated (by the Captain) just seems a bit daft to me. That sort of thing should either be natural, or managed by other 'team building' away from the actual game. This view is pretty unique to cricket btw.
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3offTheTee
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Quickie for Fundy as I know you like the odd flutter. What would you estimate the odds of Mahmoud having the best batting and bowling average before the tour started? I know there is not much competition!
Mudball
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We are talking about the Captains role here... what is the coach/manager's contribution... Is Duncan Fletcher still available?
Foxholer
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Acually, 'we' are talking about sacking the Captain because the team is failing to perform.
Your post seems to be suggesting that it's the Coach/Manager that's not geting the best out of the team - so should be the one to sacked! Is that correct?
FWIW. Who is likely to get sacked if a Football team is not performing? Or in Rugby, Netball?
Bunkermagnet
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Not quite...
greenone
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Cricket is not football, it's the captain who dictates tactics in cricket not the coach, as Warne used to say the coach is what takes the players to the ground. Joe Root is a poor captain as was cook and strauss before him. Way too passive and defensive.
Foxholer
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While I (mainly) agree re responsibility for on-field tactics, as I've already posted, it's not those that are obviously letting the side down - it's the atrocious batting - which the Captain isn't responsible for (except his). Because of that, it's likely he is forced to be defensive.
Btw. Warne apparently changed his attitude....He was 'plumping' to be Coach of one of the Hundred teams but, tragically, died!
greenone
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What about the atrocious field setting? There has been plenty of occasions that if I was bowling to the fields set in the last couple of years I'd have thrown the ball back to him and said I'm not bowling to that field.
Warne was a coach in the hundred last year, don't ask which team because I don't watch 20/20 or 16.4/16.4.
Warne was a coach in the hundred last year, don't ask which team because I don't watch 20/20 or 16.4/16.4.
Mudball
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KP sums it up..
greenone
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KP is one of the main reasons why the county game plays all its 4 day cricket in April, May and September. ?
fundy
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series wise bets like this are done on total runs and wickets not averages to stop "freak" results like this based on very few wickets/runs
hed have been 6/1ish for top bowler on wickets and any price you like batting, 1000/1 on those basis
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KP was very clear in his condemnation of the county game , calling it poor and lacking in talent and a waste of time
He didn’t like the fact he was challenged when they questioned him about the 100 being played during prone England cricket season and it was his normal deflected response of “money” and “excitement” and “growing the game” - and again didn’t like to be told that we already had that with the T20 Blast
The nan clearly still has his head up his own rear and will always be not interested in franchise cricket - something which will never work in England and will ruin the county game
The ECB and Mr Harrison need to take an inward look at themselves because the blame sits with them
