The Cricket Thread

[Grizzly]

Great bowler but I think Murli was a tad better with more wickets and a better average. Warne had much better bowlers in his team around him and Murli was relied upon more by SL. That discussion of who was better could rumble for a long time.

Not having that, just the same as I wouldn't even consider Murali for a World XI. The fact is, he chucked it.

 

[greenone]

Probably one of the 2 best all round cricketers there has ever been along with Sir Garfield Sobers. Could bat, didn't drop too many catches and mesmerised batsman with his bowling. No mystery but he'd didn't need it. RIP Shane Warne.

 

[3offTheTee]

Probably one of the 2 best all round cricketers there has ever been along with Sir Garfield Sobers. Could bat, didn't drop too many catches and mesmerised batsman with his bowling. No mystery but he'd didn't need it. RIP Shane Warne.

Think despite being a great bowler he was never classed as an all rounder. Not in the same league as Sobers and possibly 15/20 more cricketers at least

 

[greenone]

Think despite being a great bowler he was never classed as an all rounder. Not in the same league as Sobers and possibly 15/20 more cricketers at least

I didn't say he was an all-rounder, I said the best all round cricketer, there is a difference. He still scored over 3000 test runs. He may not not be in the same league as Sobers with the bat, but beats him hands down with the ball. Put it this way, if there had been a single wicket competition of players in their prime, the final would be Sobers Vs Warne imo.

 

[sunshine]

Shocked about Warne. What a legend, best spinner ever for me. His insight in the commentary box after he retired showed what a great cricket brain he had. RIP.

 

[sunshine]

Watched a bit of England v Australia women's world cup match earlier. What I'm about to say may not be on trend, but the lack of athleticism in the England team was shocking. I've seen fitter players playing for the village pub team. If they're not going to take it seriously how can they expect viewers to take them seriously. Terrible advert for women's cricket.

 

[DanFST]

yeah.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Watched a bit of England v Australia women's world cup match earlier. What I'm about to say may not be on trend, but the lack of athleticism in the England team was shocking. I've seen fitter players playing for the village pub team. If they're not going to take it seriously how can they expect viewers to take them seriously. Terrible advert for women's cricket.

That’s not a great post at all

 

[ColchesterFC]

That’s not a great post at all

Why not? I don't remember anyone having a problem with Ollie Robinson being called out for his lack of match fitness during the Ashes. Or is it OK to criticise a man for lack of fitness but not a woman? These are professional athletes being paid to play sport and as such should be doing everything they can to get their performance levels as high as possible.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why not? I don't remember anyone having a problem with Ollie Robinson being called out for his lack of match fitness during the Ashes. Or is it OK to criticise a man for lack of fitness but not a woman? These are professional athletes being paid to play sport and as such should be doing everything they can to get their performance levels as high as possible.

How do you know her fitness is poor ? Basing it on body shape ?

Anya has always had that body shape and yet it’s not affected her ability to be one of the best bowlers in the game - the game today she was the best bowler out there

It’s nothing but body shaming

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Why not? I don't remember anyone having a problem with Ollie Robinson being called out for his lack of match fitness during the Ashes. Or is it OK to criticise a man for lack of fitness but not a woman? These are professional athletes being paid to play sport and as such should be doing everything they can to get their performance levels as high as possible.

So they lost after Australia posted a really challenging score and got close to the target. It may lack the power and brutality of the mens game at times but most top ladies players would definitely earn a place at a lot of mens sides, even at a top level. Judging purely on size is a poor indicator of ability and somewhat decisive

 

[ColchesterFC]

How do you know her fitness is poor ? Basing it on body shape ?

Anya has always had that body shape and yet it’s not affected her ability to be one of the best bowlers in the game - the game today she was the best bowler out there

It’s nothing but body shaming

She's clearly overweight and that alone means that she's not as fit as she could be. Therefore, for a professional sportsperson her fitness is poor. If calling someone overweight is body shaming in your view then yes, I'm body shaming her. But in my view I'm simply being honest about the fact that she's overweight.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

She's clearly overweight and that alone means that she's not as fit as she could be. Therefore, for a professional sportsperson her fitness is poor. If calling someone overweight is body shaming in your view then yes, I'm body shaming her. But in my view I'm simply being honest about the fact that she's overweight.

Loads of decent cricketers in particular that were carrying a few extra pounds. Didn't affect performance. How do you know how overweight she is and what effect body shaming could have.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Loads of decent cricketers in particular that were carrying a few extra pounds. Didn't affect performance. How do you know how overweight she is and what effect body shaming could have.

You've got no idea if that is correct or how good those players could've been if they hadn't been overweight.

And I know she's overweight because I've got eyes and have looked at the photo.

 

[4LEX]

Watched a bit of England v Australia women's world cup match earlier. What I'm about to say may not be on trend, but the lack of athleticism in the England team was shocking. I've seen fitter players playing for the village pub team. If they're not going to take it seriously how can they expect viewers to take them seriously. Terrible advert for women's cricket.

Embarrassing we're paying for these clowns to play cricket. You see it in the ladies football too. Better standard at Sunday league.

 

[Foxholer]

She's clearly overweight and that alone means that she's not as fit as she could be. Therefore, for a professional sportsperson her fitness is poor. If calling someone overweight is body shaming in your view then yes, I'm body shaming her. But in my view I'm simply being honest about the fact that she's overweight.

There's a difference between 'overweight' and 'poor fitness'.
There's also been a number of top male cricketers who could have been described as overweight too, but were clearly excellent cricketers (for their time) - or they wouldn't have been picked for their national team. Here's some! https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1855212-xi-picking-a-team-of-crickets-fattest-players
I happen to have known a rather porky shaped Kiwi International (and International Umpire) at both Cricket and Hockey. He won an Olympic Gold at Hockey in Montreal on Astroturf, so was no slouch! I have personal experience of how quick he could be on the hockey field!
To me, Women's cricket is at the stage where Men's cricket was a decade (probably 2) or more ago, where talent is the overriding factor for participation at higher levels. Fitness will become more important as more players with talent arrive.

 

[Billysboots]

There's a difference between 'overweight' and 'poor fitness'.
There's also been a number of top male cricketers who could have been described as overweight too, but were clearly excellent cricketers (for their time) - or they wouldn't have been picked for their national team. Here's some! https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1855212-xi-picking-a-team-of-crickets-fattest-players
I happen to have known a rather porky shaped Kiwi International (and Interntional Umpire) at both Cricket and Hockey. He won an Olympic Gold at Hockey in Montreal on Astroturf, so was no slouch! I have personal experience of how quick he could be on the hockey field!
To me, Women's cricket is at the stage where Men's cricket was a decade (probably 2) or more ago, where talent is the overriding factor for participation at higher levels. Fitness will become more important as more players with talent arrive.

Spot on. I was going to mention Ian Botham, but you beat me to it with this article.

He could never be described as lithe, and liked the good life, but remains the best all rounder we have ever produced.

I am clearly not alone in finding this discussion somewhat distasteful.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Spot on. I was going to mention Ian Botham, but you beat me to it with this article.

He could never be described as lithe, and liked the good life, but remains the best all rounder we have ever produced.

I am clearly not alone in finding this discussion somewhat distasteful.

Did you find it distasteful when Ollie Robinson was being called out for his match fitness not being great during the Ashes this winter?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did you find it distasteful when Ollie Robinson was being called out for his match fitness not being great during the Ashes this winter?

Was there pictures of him and his body shape being posted ? What exactly was being said about Robinson ?‍ - I know he was injured a number of times , and his pace etc dropped through the day so the bowling coach said he needed to improve his fitness to be able to bowl at higher consistent level - but I don’t recall him being body shamed ?

 

[Billysboots]

Did you find it distasteful when Ollie Robinson was being called out for his match fitness not being great during the Ashes this winter?

I don’t recall the suggestions relating to Robinson. If he was ridiculed for being fat I’m sure you will point us in the direction of the discussion.