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funkycoldmedina
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I disagree. I felt he done enough to have a go, the only other candidate would have been Gillespie but he didn't want it at the time
He's fallen short and many players have regressed. He's had to coach through a challenging period but the talent on offer and the appalling schedule at both county and international level meant he had no chance.
Grizzly
Well-known member
Silvers is a good bloke who did well with Essex, so was a legitimate contender for the role. But it always felt like a rerun of the Moores situation, someone who had done well in the county game but offered no evidence that he was going to do it again at the top level. He isn't responsible for all of the issues, the poor structure of the domestic season, the lack of match practice... but he can be blamed for all of the illogical selections, the daft rotation policy etc.
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
Has Gary Kirsten had a call?
Mudball
Assistant Pro
The Yorkshire story refuses to go away..
Old guard try to foist responsibility for their incompetence on to the person left clearing up the mess is bad faith. ‘Meeting called did not follow process’ … what planet are they on..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60253293
Old guard try to foist responsibility for their incompetence on to the person left clearing up the mess is bad faith. ‘Meeting called did not follow process’ … what planet are they on..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60253293
Grizzly
Well-known member
To be fair, I think there is a lot of support for what Smith has said here* - whilst changes were clearly necessary, the mass sacking, including a number of people who were never at the club at the same time as Rafiq and can have had nothing to do with the issues discussed, together with the blanket acceptance of everything said (but none of the counter points), has been seen as extreme, bordering on unlawful, by large sections of the clubs membership. If, as it appears, Lord Patel was not in that position legally to make those calls, then he really has not got the proverbial leg to stand on.
* note, I am not expressing my views here, just outlining what has been written by a lot of Yorkshire supporters
Mudball
Assistant Pro
I cant say I know much of this, other than in various media outlets which may have different agenda. But prima facia it looks like process being thrown in the way of deliverng results. The Lord Kamlesh appointment being called into question because someone had not filed the paperwork on time. The link to the Yorkshire Post article feels more colourful than the BBC https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/spo...ire-ccc-is-invalid-claims-robin-smith-3552965
Wasnt YP seen as part of the group that tried to suppress the initial Rafiq complaints?
Grizzly
Well-known member
I'm not certain that I know everything myself, and again stress this is not reflective of overall personal opinion, but from what I understand this appears to be a bit more than just process; Lord Patel has taken a number of financial decisions on behalf of Yorkshire CC - primarily the settlement of the Rafiq ET and the sacking of the entire coaching staff - which amount to a potential net liability of around 2'750'000. However, it does not appear that he was legally in a position to take those decisions because paperwork was not filed with the FSA to change the rules of the club to allow him to stand/serve. Given that some of those decisions were - lets say controversial - and that we are not talking about "the rules of the club" as much as the laws of the land, I'd say it is a bit more than obscure process.
Certainly I think that resorting to "opponents of the black lives matter movement" is a really weak and demeaning way for Lord Patel to respond.
YP is an odd one - there is that perception, and in general the majority of their writers, other than the usually excellent Chris Waters, are died in the wool Tykes - equally they have been loathe to publish details of the many stories that have been mentioned on here around Rafiq's oqn conduct.
Justin Langer has just become available. Don't hang around lads.........
3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
funkycoldmedina
Newbie
Is Gillespie in the betting?
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
cracking effort from the U19 lads, India team just too good on the day sadly
plenty of talent we're going to see plenty more of in the coming years in both teams
Prest, Rew, Boyden, Ahmed all look not far from being ready for county cricket if not more soon
plenty of talent we're going to see plenty more of in the coming years in both teams
Prest, Rew, Boyden, Ahmed all look not far from being ready for county cricket if not more soon
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Surely Langer is the call. Think with Stewart we are just repeating the same mistakes in terms of yes men afraid to make big changes
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
dont think either are the right option personally, but then id rather they change the structure completely rather than worry about the coach who never actually gets to coach. how much input do they expect a coach to have to a players technique thats been ingrained for years and years, the issues with most of the current side arent overnight fixes or tweeks needed!
starting with harrison and strauss, splitting red and white ball roles completely and having more manager than head coach roles, employing specialist coaches as and when needed, better input to the learning players are doing at their counties etc
if we keep the current structure, whoever gets the job, we are repeating the sames mistakes again in the long run (sadly that suits Harrison and his cronies current plans)
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Surely Langer with his Aussie roots and not being English will be more willing to do what is necessary to make changes for success. He can point to the Aussie set up and use that as a template. Whether he can get through the archaic structure and jobs for the boys set up we have is a different issue and one that I think any coach for years to come will struggle with. I can't see the structure being changed soon
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
why do we instantly assume in cricket being aussie is an advantage? (i genuinely dont in this case). why has he left the aussie job at this point? why would someone as aussie through and through as Langer even want the England job (apart form it being a decent pay day and he can bob off after a couple of years)
just makes no sense to me and I think theres a huge leap from winning the Ashes with the Aussies who man for man are a far superior side then being successful as England coach
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Decent article on Langer and aussie coaches
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...coaching-is-in-australia-20220205-p59u1k.html
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...coaching-is-in-australia-20220205-p59u1k.html
3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
Collingwood Interim coach.
Grizzly
Well-known member
Some really top talent in that set up - I think Prest, Bethell and Will Luxton will get a run in the county game next season, maybe Ahmed too (though legspinners are always a tough one). Boyden and James Sales I think need 12 months conditioning to get ready for the step up.
greenone
Active member
If it's going to be an Aussie it has to be Gillespie.
