Arthur Wedge
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Wouldn’t take much for it to be a requirement and modern technology more than capable of overcoming issues - I’m sure the EV owner will have a sim in a smart phone that can be plugged into their car if required
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Wouldn’t take much for it to be a requirement and modern technology more than capable of overcoming issues - I’m sure the EV owner will have a sim in a smart phone that can be plugged into their car if required
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Then the owner will simply not plug in their phone.
Same if they try and charge by kWh going through ev chargers (which with modern ones they could) there are 1000s out there that don't record so could be used forever
Same with 3 pin chargers. More owners would simply charge via the plug.
stevied
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I've no doubt it could be done , but it would be very expensive. It's easy to say use and app etc but it will require complex infra to back it up and also make it tamper proof.
Arthur Wedge
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They will come up with something to fill a big gap in the tax gap - and it will be tax by mile etc and yes it may cost more but it’s not going to be cheap to fund the infrastructure to get to a level where owning an EV is as “easy” as owning an ICE car
stevied
Active member
What do you mean as easy? My experience so far is that running an EV is easier than my old ice car.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
That’s not the experience for everyone though
There are still many obstacles for people that stop them owning an EV
Cost
Ease of charging
Being two key areas
People that don’t have off road parking
People that live in communal apartments
Quick charging that can be done in minutes
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Once people switch their mind from "run the car until the light comes on" to "little and often" charges (IE at night plug in.. do your day return home plug in again) it becomes a breeze your right.
stevied
Active member
The only real issue is not being able to charge at home. Some crazy deals these days on EVs. I don't care who does or doesn't drive an EV, but the utter nonsense I see being wheeled out time and time again has to be addressed when I see it.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
If people can’t charge at home then the charging network around the country needs to improve massively and be at appropriate cost -
People will want life to be as easy as possible and owning an ICE car for everyone is easier and on the whole cheaper
It will stop people owning them until the balance is there to actually make it worthwhile for everyone to own one
I think the deadline for ICE cars will just keep getting extended
stevied
Active member
Have you used the charging network much?
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Don’t need too - have 7 petrol stations to choose from within a couple of miles-
In the same area there is 4 area for charging a car - Tescos , three car parks
stevied
Active member
You haven't used it but somehow know it needs to improve at massive cost? It seems more like you know very little on the subject to be honest.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
So you think the charging network is good enough now - no need to improve it ?
Is there enough charging stations to make it as easy to charge an EV car than it does to fill up an ICE car
Can someone go to a charging station , fill up to the top and be out in 5 mins ?
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PJ87
Journeyman Pro
There is ZERO point discussing with Phil. He will just drone on and on with "facts" and articles he has pulled from twitter (x) on subjects he has zero knowledge and understanding.
Slime
Tour Winner
.............................. and then not have to worry for a few hundred miles.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
It will become easier over the years but it’s not there yet for “everyone” - which is the point the evangelists miss , what suits and works for them may not work for everyone.
If they government want to see everyone own an EV car at some point then it’s got to get to a point where owning one is the same level of ease as it is for an ICE car for everyone
And it’s not there - it’s why fortunes are being spent to improve the charging networks
3 jabber
Active member
Thank you, I knew you would search high and low on Google to find the one example that is different to every other study. Batteries degrade, that is a fact.Wouldn't worry too much about battery damage.
We put a Tesla Model S with an astounding 430,000 miles on the clock to the test to find out.
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The battery’s lasted pretty well too, having only experienced about 65 miles of range degradation. Paul credits this to consistent use and careful charging habits. He primarily uses supercharging during the day and tops up with home charging at night. This frequent supercharging to 100 percent hasn’t significantly damaged the battery
I can't wait for your next comeback.
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
3 jabber
Active member
Erm yes, that is exactly the point I was making.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Thank you for the reply. Your input on this thread is always so knowledgeable and well thought out.
I do apologise if I use my 4 years of experience in actually owning multiple
EVs to try and help people who are thinking of switching.
I'm not quite sure where you get your information from as it seems very outdated and full of misinformation
But here is another study
Does DC Fast Charging Damage EV Batteries? - EVESCO
Does fast charging damage EV batteries? Studies reveal DC fast charging has minimal impact on EV battery life versus Level 2 charging
www.power-sonic.com
Direct you here to the quote
"One of the biggest concerns with fast charging is that it can damage the electric vehicle's battery, resulting in a significant loss of vehicle range. So, is DC fast charging bad for the battery? The short answer is no, not really. Fast charging has little impact on battery capacity, battery health, or long-term loss of vehicle range.
Several studies have been conducted to look for a potential link between fast charging and battery degradation. However, each study shows minimal overall impact on battery degradation."
Now I'm sure you can find plenty of other actual research that says the same
Or you could rather than be rude about somebody trying to be help be grateful that someone is willing to help you for free with useful information for no cost.
But hey you know best.
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