The all things EV chat thread

[bobmac]

This. My car is a Seat Leon ST which we would use for longer journeys, Mrs. BiM bought a brand new Seat Ibiza, about £17,000 new. A quick look for something similar shows a Peugeot 208 electric at about £29,000. Why would we pay £12,000 more just to get a car with less range & convenience.

Or you could get a brand new Nissan Leaf for £22,998 less the Govt grant of £3000

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...-from=new&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Let's face it, if EVs were the same price as their equivalent ICE cars, the manufacturers wouldn't sell many ICE cars (which they are still churning out) so they have to keep the price of their EVs higher.
But when companies like Tesla (who don't have any ICE cars to shift) finally produce an escort sized car, which has 200 mile range, fast charging and is affordable, things will change rapidly.

By the time that fantasy level arrives Tesla will not be making cars and will be focused purely on the batteries that they will be able to produce mass market

But we are imo are decades away from producing an affordable electric fast charging car that does the level of millage required

 

[PJ87]

By the time that fantasy level arrives Tesla will not be making cars and will be focused purely on the batteries that they will be able to produce mass market

But we are imo are decades away from producing an affordable electric fast charging car that does the level of millage required

Dunno what your on about. The model 2 is round the corner

Escort size car

25,000 dollar ticket price

Due end of this year

 

[PJ87]

Or you could get a brand new Nissan Leaf for £22,998 less the Govt grant of £3000

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202011045784069?include-delivery-option=on&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=ng348xf&sort=price-asc&radius=50&fuel-type=Electric&year-from=new&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

Think that includes the grant price built in Bob

That said their one of the best , reasonable sized and because they were designed from floor up to be electric their more refined than for example my Corsa that's the same as a petrol one with a diff drive train

 

[Blue in Munich]

Or you could get a brand new Nissan Leaf for £22,998 less the Govt grant of £3000

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202011045784069?include-delivery-option=on&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=ng348xf&sort=price-asc&radius=50&fuel-type=Electric&year-from=new&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

So why would I pay £6,000 more for a car with a less range, convenience & a lower specification; the Acenta is the bottom of the Leaf range, Mrs. BiM's Ibiza is the Xcellence Lux, the top of the range version. The top of the range Leaf starts at £34,710; twice the price we paid for the Ibiza.

https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf.html

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Dunno what your on about. The model 2 is round the corner

Escort size car

25,000 dollar ticket price

Due end of this year

How long does it take to charge ?

And round the corner ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....s/amp35650006/tesla-model-2-a-must-for-tesla/

 

[GreiginFife]

I'll buy one when a) the infrastructure supports owning one, b) when the charging technology improves, and c) when they stop making them god-awful ugly.

£23000 for that Nissan Leaf? They'd need to pay me that to drive the thing. It's hideous. And that Model 2 is like a "wacky races" version of the ugly as sin model 3. Reminds me of Wayne Campbell's AMC Pacer.

Even the "big" marques have/are producing some ugly things. BMW i3 was horrendous. Mercedes EQC is fugly.

BMW's i4 is still 2 years off by the looks of it and might, just might tempt me, IF the speculation about styling and capabilities are true.

 

[PJ87]

How long does it take to charge ?

And round the corner ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....s/amp35650006/tesla-model-2-a-must-for-tesla/

Article I have says late 21 maybe covid delayed

But so many cars coming your missing the point

Mg are affordable and getting more range

Charge speed varies. Charge nightly at home you will top up what you need no problem it takes 30 seconds to walk from wall charger to car ...

On the road you can get all kind of chargers 350kw Is being rolled out but 150kw Is becoming more common

60kw battery would fully charge in 2 hours but you don't fully charge on the road

Yes u will come back with your standard reply oh I pull in fill up and go but ice is going . People need to adapt to a new way of life.. yes it's not as seemless as before but where did that get us? On the verge of a climate crisis

Think a few extra mins here and there at planned stops and managing milage will be fine

Plus if WFH takes off people won't drive as far for some jobs

My car was driven 178 miles to me and he topped it up round corner on a fast charger to give me half charge

That range is pretty decent on one go

Work car parks need to install them, work a shift come out with full tank

 

[USER1999]

Another alternative that may yet happen, particularly with leasing, is to have a cheaper, low range EV, but as part of the lease, the ability to swap it out for a longer range hybrid on occasion. Many who 'need 300 mike range only really need it a few times a year, but have it sat around costing money 360 days of the year. Alternative ownership schemes could be attractive at some point.

Or, just hire a car for the weekend away.

 

[Imurg]

I'll be keeping an eye on the development of the cheaper, smaller EVs.
Not because I particularly want one but because there will come a time when the demand for ICE manual driving lessons is superceded by demand for EV Auto lessons.
From that point, ICE will be a rapidly diminishing market and I will need to make the change.
I suspect it will happen before the proposed 2030 deadline for new ICE cars assuming they get the home charging issues sorted
In another 5/6/7 years the 2nd hand market may be buoyant enough for kids passing their tests to get an EV as their first car.
Once that happens the numbers wanting Auto/EV lessons will rocket.
And I don't want to be left with an ICE car thats losing value and I can't use for lessons.
The demand for auto lessons is already creeping up.
Timing is going to be everything

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Article I have says late 21 maybe covid delayed

But so many cars coming your missing the point

Mg are affordable and getting more range

Charge speed varies. Charge nightly at home you will top up what you need no problem it takes 30 seconds to walk from wall charger to car ...

On the road you can get all kind of chargers 350kw Is being rolled out but 150kw Is becoming more common

60kw battery would fully charge in 2 hours but you don't fully charge on the road

Yes u will come back with your standard reply oh I pull in fill up and go but ice is going . People need to adapt to a new way of life.. yes it's not as seemless as before but where did that get us? On the verge of a climate crisis

Think a few extra mins here and there at planned stops and managing milage will be fine

Plus if WFH takes off people won't drive as far for some jobs

My car was driven 178 miles to me and he topped it up round corner on a fast charger to give me half charge

That range is pretty decent on one go

Work car parks need to install them, work a shift come out with full tank

So if I need to go 250 miles I will need to stop halfway and then sit around whilst the car charges

That’s is no use to millions

Until that changes where someone can just pop in and take 5 mins to charge then electric cars for many will be as much use as an expensive chocolate fireguard

It won’t be just a few mins here and there

And all these cars that are coming are not “affordable” and certainly not practical and certainly not appealing to 99% of the population

Standard cars will be around for a long time yet

 

[D-S]

[Standard cars will be around for a long time yet[/QUOTE]

Only if manufacturers continue making them and parts for them. I suppose it’s what you call a long time.

 

[GB72]

So if I need to go 250 miles I will need to stop halfway and then sit around whilst the car charges

That’s is no use to millions

Until that changes where someone can just pop in and take 5 mins to charge then electric cars for many will be as much use as an expensive chocolate fireguard

It won’t be just a few mins here and there

And all these cars that are coming are not “affordable” and certainly not practical and certainly not appealing to 99% of the population

Standard cars will be around for a long time yet

This is the main factor for me. When I am on a long drive, I just want to get it done. Don't think I have ever stopped for more than 10 minutes on a journey and so stopping for an hour or so to charge the car is just not something I want to be doing (and that is assuming I drive in and find a free charger point).

 

[MegaSteve]

Battery development is moving along rapidly... With several different avenues being investigated... I think the problem will be at what point do you decide which will be the 'universal' system...

 

[PJ87]

So if I need to go 250 miles I will need to stop halfway and then sit around whilst the car charges

That’s is no use to millions

Until that changes where someone can just pop in and take 5 mins to charge then electric cars for many will be as much use as an expensive chocolate fireguard

It won’t be just a few mins here and there

And all these cars that are coming are not “affordable” and certainly not practical and certainly not appealing to 99% of the population

Standard cars will be around for a long time yet

You can get 300 mile range cars

Research solid state batteries which are being developed by Toyota .. due to in car testing this year

500 miles

5 min charge

Everyone focuses on price new but they do get cheaper over time you know... That's how second hand works

Won't be long at all

As murph pointed out the average journey is 40 miles

250 miles isn't really that common is it.. how often would you need to drive 250 miles? If you had 300 mile range what's the hardship charging before you come back as the network grows..

Many people could make the switch overnight and would suit their needs

How many people lease cars? That's where people can easily change. How many of the generation below own cars?

Company cars provided will make the switch

I've said so many times it doesn't suit all but it suits a lot more people than are willing to even try because it's different and new ..

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Battery development is moving along rapidly... With several different avenues being investigated... I think the problem will be at what point do you decide which will be the 'universal' system...

You would have thought that would have been agreed at the very beginning. I was amazed it was not the case to be honest. Some heads really need to be cracked together so this gets sorted before too many mfrs are entrenched in their set ups.

Universal charging points should also be the norm. The idea that you can not stop at charger A because it is the wrong type, or you need mulitple apps to pay is crackers. You should be able to roll up to any charger, plug in, have one app to pay, drive off.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You can get 300 mile range cars

Research solid state batteries which are being developed by Toyota .. due to in car testing this year

500 miles

5 min charge

Everyone focuses on price new but they do get cheaper over time you know... That's how second hand works

Won't be long at all

As murph pointed out the average journey is 40 miles

250 miles isn't really that common is it.. how often would you need to drive 250 miles? If you had 300 mile range what's the hardship charging before you come back as the network grows..

Many people could make the switch overnight and would suit their needs

How many people lease cars? That's where people can easily change. How many of the generation below own cars?

Company cars provided will make the switch

I've said so many times it doesn't suit all but it suits a lot more people than are willing to even try because it's different and new ..

Of course everyone focused on price - not everyone is made of money to be able to afford a electric car that does less than a car that is half the price

How much does a 300 mile range car cost with a 5 min charge

How many points out there that do a 5 mins charge right now


Here is what people want

Affordable and ease of use

Right now for the majority of the country that doesn’t exist and until it does then petrol/diesel will be king

You keep just looking at things from your single perspective as opposed to 99% of the population

 

[PJ87]

Another alternative that may yet happen, particularly with leasing, is to have a cheaper, low range EV, but as part of the lease, the ability to swap it out for a longer range hybrid on occasion. Many who 'need 300 mike range only really need it a few times a year, but have it sat around costing money 360 days of the year. Alternative ownership schemes could be attractive at some point.

Or, just hire a car for the weekend away.

When nissan leaf first came out they offered a petrol car for free for up to 3 weekends a year I believe

 

[PJ87]

Of course everyone focused on price - not everyone is made of money to be able to afford a electric car that does less than a car that is half the price

How much does a 300 mile range car cost with a 5 min charge

How many points out there that do a 5 mins charge right now


Here is what people want

Affordable and ease of use

Right now for the majority of the country that doesn’t exist and until it does then petrol/diesel will be king

You keep just looking at things from your single perspective as opposed to 99% of the population

99%? Vastely understated .. probably 50% of the population could switch if required

How many lease privately or through buisness? That could happen at the end of their next deal

 

[PJ87]

Only if manufacturers continue making them and parts for them. I suppose it’s what you call a long time.

That's why the 2030 target needed to be done

They need to be discouraged from making them

It's cheaper to maintain electric cars . It does them out of service