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The all things EV chat thread
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MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Think at the start an open mind as to what avenue of development has the best potential is a sensible path... But at some point there has to be some sort of collective agreement which way to go with battery type/charging method... Certainly for everyday commuter usage... The supercar fraternity can and most probably will tread their own path... My boys raced electric model cars and from where batteries were when they started to what's in use now is phenomenal... 4mins of pussyfooting to 10+ mins of flat out blast...
PJ87
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https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-car-finance-pcp-mortgage-market-morgan-stanley-2017-7?amp
82% of new cars are PCP
Over a million a year bought
Even second hand cars a lot are paid via PCP or HP or a loan
How many people pay outright for a car?
Long as the cars come in budget for someone's monthly they will sell
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
I don’t have a car on pcp or lease.
I buy what I like and drive it forever ... I see interest as dead money I get nothing from it ! So why pay it, I don’t get that back on my money either.
What we have is a fickle population who don’t understand money and don’t realise they are being financially exploited.. if I told you that a Range Rover gives the dealership 100% profit and that’s after JLR have made their 100% and then you have the financial services making 5.9% apr etc.... (by the way JLR lose a lot of that with warranty claims and pointless development costs .. hence them going down the toilet)
I buy what I like and drive it forever ... I see interest as dead money I get nothing from it ! So why pay it, I don’t get that back on my money either.
What we have is a fickle population who don’t understand money and don’t realise they are being financially exploited.. if I told you that a Range Rover gives the dealership 100% profit and that’s after JLR have made their 100% and then you have the financial services making 5.9% apr etc.... (by the way JLR lose a lot of that with warranty claims and pointless development costs .. hence them going down the toilet)
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
It's not just a fickle population. It's a poor population who can't afford to lay out big sums at once on a car
Also get a lot of 0% PCP. Offers
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Type one and chademo (spelling) were the American way and the leaf 1.0 had them because nissan were in line with them
Type two is European standard as is CCS
In my car I have one socket that's dual, type 2 and then CCS goes into the type 2 but fills the 2 holes under it aswell to provide the extra speed
A lot of charge points provide all of these
To future proof your house the best way is to just get a type 2 socket installed no tether and then you just get a cable that goes to type 2 to whatever the car has but majority now are type 2
Telsa have their CCS that I believe can use normal but we can't use theirs ATM they won't let EVs on their network so the chip locks them out
I have a tethered point at home for ease of use , apparently if I want to change to another car and say type 3 suddenly was s thing I could swap cables on it pretty easy . My mate switched his own
I think all public points should provide a spare type 2 point thst has no cable
Tesco near me do that and you just plug your cable in job done
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Sounds just like Apple to me.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I am sure they make a 50% margin, not 100% profit. 50% margin is pretty common in many businesses, especially retail.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
So electric cars don't have brakes, steering or suspension that require checking or servicing?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Didn't say that. I said they have less moving parts not no moving parts.
For example the first service on an electric car is 8000 miles it's £80 just s check (main dealer) and then it goes to 16,000 miles or 2 years because they don't suffer the same wear
And brake pads etc are worn less because of the breaking system you are encouraged to use which in a leaf is best when you take foot off the gas it puts on the full engine break so you drive one pedal. It's very efficient and popular
The corsas isn't as powerful but does slow you enough .. saving the breaks and also recharging the battery as you go
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
chrisd
Major Champion
Hid's Leaf was due a service and MOT a little while back, they only charged for the MOT as there was so little to service
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
My Corsa replaced the HRV
HRV monthly £295
Corsa month £275
Monthly fuel cost before £100
Monthly fuel cost now £20
Hrv service cost £380 average including £90 Cvt extra
Corsa service £80-100 every 2 years call £50 a year
HRV tax £150
Corsa tax £0
Total yearly
5260 hrv
3590 Corsa
HRV monthly £295
Corsa month £275
Monthly fuel cost before £100
Monthly fuel cost now £20
Hrv service cost £380 average including £90 Cvt extra
Corsa service £80-100 every 2 years call £50 a year
HRV tax £150
Corsa tax £0
Total yearly
5260 hrv
3590 Corsa
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
It's strange you use Toyota for your example, when Toyota see hydrogen fuel cell as the long term way forward and not pure EV.
The problem is as I see it, we are an island nation who thinks we are more important and influential than we really are. Us having a few extra leccy charging points in our lamp-posts isn't going to change the World. You have to think of mid USA. Only when your American driver can drive across the plains with only a quick fuel stop will cars actually change globally. Pure EV is never going to work because no-one is going to lay millions of miles of leccy cables so your country belt dweller can rapid charge his pick-up on the way to the market. Swap out petrol for hydrogen and you have the answer.
DanFST
Head Pro
I want to like electric cars.
Currently infrastructure seems crap. Charging points are full/broken at work. Being an Early Adopter never works out.
Currently infrastructure seems crap. Charging points are full/broken at work. Being an Early Adopter never works out.
bobmac
Major Champion
Where does the electricity come from to make the hydrogen?
Same place as to charge electric cars I'd guess. The great benefit of hydrogen, I know there are downsides to overcome, is that refuelliing is similar to existing cars, refuelling can hook into the existing petrol station network and so infrastructure costs are significantly lower, range anxiety no longer exists.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
I get what he's saying, hydrogen easy to refill fast and go say 300 tank
I think we have a split market
Hydrogen lorries, and cars but plenty using the more up to date electric ones by then
To answer the OP question no I wouldn't buy an electric car. I'd lease one. Then your always on the cutting edge of battery tech and haven't fully committed
If say in 4 years electric cars suddenly went. Say synthetic petrol took off or hydrogen.. and everyone got that making electric cars worth a lot less I simply hand my back and switch
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
I love range calculations lol I got home last night 40% battery.. easily can go work and back again on that but I wanted to top up to 80%
For mine 0.5 kw is 1% roughly (I work on these rough sums) so I need 40% that's 20kw.. 7kw an hour that's just under 3 hours so plugged it in .. set the point to come on 01:45-04:45 it added 20.7kw in that time .. total cost £1.14
Won't charge until sunday night now with 2 shifts and few local trips at the weekend
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
I get that you‘re very evangelical about EV’s, but I doubt hydrogen powered cars will be more polluting and less future proof than pure EV over their whole life and that’s includes the raw materials. They must surely be better for the planet in that you don’t need to rape the ground for certain elements.
