The all things EV chat thread
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USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I would guess it is a lack of infrastructure. Everyone is going gung ho building electric charging points, Governments are promoting electric as the future. Even petrol stations are looking at recharging points. No one is putting in hydrogen. If a vehicle manufacturer goes all in on hydrogen, but there is nowhere to fill it, it will be a waste of time, money, etc.
HGV is probably going to have to go down the fuel cell route. It may be the haulage industry that has to invest in fefueling sites at their own depots.
I think long term, people will accept less ev range, in exchange for a lighter, cheaper vehicle, especially if it can have a fast recharge. Yes, some need 400 mile range, but in reality it's very few. Most journeys are 40 miles or less. Something with 100 mile range, that recharges in 10 minutes would do most people.
We used to have phones that stayed charged for a week. Now they scrape through a day, and we are all fine with it.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Some very good points there. Especially on the phones however some may argue what did we use our Nokia 3310 for? Phone calls and snake if that now it's a browser, a Walkman , podcast host .. for some much more than that aswell
Think your right about the range but then we the fuel cel their saying 300 mile range only bonus is filling up faster .. which is getting addressed I mean telsa have their 250kw super charge network in theory 15 mins on that could recharge their battieres
Shell were on the news about in the future every petrol station will have equal electric chargers and petrol pumps , much faster speeds coming aswell
I mean mine is limited to 100kw I believe which isn't bad but does cut the potential slightly
Bang on about range and average journey
I reckon I can do all my society days in it up to 75 miles with no worries .. and my commute is 25 each way
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
I presently have an Audi S4 which is a shade under 500bhp, it's an Avant so the family wagon. It's a good laugh and I enjoy driving it. The wife has a Mini Cooper Convertible, woefully underpowered however it's just a run around for local journeys. That car is due for replacement next year and we will definitely explore full electric as her longest journey is down to the South Coast which is about 60 miles. For longer journeys with the family stuff we use mine.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
That is prob where most people can make the switch
We have the Corsa e which I've been basically been doing majority of the driving in
Even dropping the kids to mum's for day care if it's just me and not me plus the wife I'll take the Corsa
The alhambra has gone from 1000 miles a month to 100 miles maybe
Post lockdown prob will end up 300 miles a month but still massive change
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
Realistically as long as the electric car was able to do 150 miles on a single charge (which most seem to be able to do easily) then it'd be fine for us a second car. Most of our journeys are local anyway so pottering around in it would be just fine. I'm not ready to go full electric with the 'big' car as I enjoy driving it too much however I race RC cards so know the power of a brushless motor and would not be adverse to changing at some point in the future.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
I find my 50kw a good blend ATM 202 quoted range but if I keep at 80% more than enough and if I know long drive top to 100
So, in effect, electric is currently great as a second car but we still need the breakthrough to be considered 1st car for most. Expensive 2nd car though, another breakthrough needed there as well.
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
That would be the other thing that would stop me, at present, even second hand they're extremely expensive against the petrol equivalent.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Depends
The 62kw ones and 80kw coming are 300 miles plus
350kw charging coming
5kw a minute
That's the 80kw one in 15 mins potentially
400 miles I reckon off that in 15 mins
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
But most of this is a why? Bigger batteries etc will just drive the cost of buying even higher. Potentially smaller batteries, less range, but faster charging would suit most people fine.
It's also mostly short journeys that create the pollution.
bobmac
Major Champion
Let's face it, if EVs were the same price as their equivalent ICE cars, the manufacturers wouldn't sell many ICE cars (which they are still churning out) so they have to keep the price of their EVs higher.
But when companies like Tesla (who don't have any ICE cars to shift) finally produce an escort sized car, which has 200 mile range, fast charging and is affordable, things will change rapidly.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
I can see 60 becoming the norm
Some companies are starting with 50 as standard the new gen ones
60 would bring 300 miles into play
Won't add that much cost because battery cost is so much lower now
Car companies are artificially keeping the costs high ATM
There's about 3k difference in real terms think I read .. and less moving parts
Would you ditch your Alhambra tomorrow?
We need electric cars built to family size, giving a decent range (I'm not expecting diesel range), at an equivalent price to petrol / diesel. They are all coming, potential etc. When these things actually happen we will start to see a genuine shift.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
No, because one thing, childseats
That's the entire reason I have it
There are 3 cars on the market that can fit 3 car seats accross the back
Alhambra, Sharon and C4
The s max is tighter
This has isofix accross all 3
The Skoda new SUV that's 62-82 kw battery with big boot if it could fit 3 car seats 100% I'd go to it
I've just looked up the Skoda, Enyaq for those interested. That is exactly the type of model we need to see coming through. £34k is steep but at least it is a start.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
My alhambra was 35k brand new I believe
It's was 3.5 years when I got it for 16k
So similar
Nice car the Skoda tho eh? Once eldest out of car seats we could change
It's very nice. I'm on my second Skoda, only have praise for them. The interiors now are very impressive and the one on this seems to be the staple across the board going forwards (it's already in the Octavia)
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Wife hates the alhambra..she loved her hrv (which I sold to the mother in law) we were going to keep that until it died then get a leaf or something to replace my civic
All that was second baby plans
19th march first scan all changes (twins) now the civic I gave to my aunt as their car broke and saved the hassle of selling it in lockdown .. bought the Alhambra then the PCP was ending on the hrv I said to the wife look why pay 13k for a car that gets me 45mpg to work for just me and golf .. where as if I lease an electric car for me bamn save us a fortune (£100 a month ATM)
Lease market is where they can take over
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
This. My car is a Seat Leon ST which we would use for longer journeys, Mrs. BiM bought a brand new Seat Ibiza, about £17,000 new. A quick look for something similar shows a Peugeot 208 electric at about £29,000. Why would we pay £12,000 more just to get a car with less range & convenience.
