The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

I have been passed by a young male riding an electric stand up scooter. I was doing 40 on a dual carriageway, and he flew between the 2 lanes and zoomed off so must have been doing at least 55/60. No protetcive gear on either, just jeans and a tee.

I would put good money on this not being at all what @larmen is talking about .. I'd say he is using a perfectly legal one

I've never seen the illegal ones to above 30 but then they can be modified as with any tech.

 

[larmen]

I would put good money on this not being at all what @larmen is talking about .. I'd say he is using a perfectly legal one

I've never seen the illegal ones to above 30 but then they can be modified as with any tech.

This is my actual moped being delivered to me

There is a newer 60 mph version available now for people who use country roads which might be dangerous to ride at 45 only.

 

[PJ87]

This is my actual moped being delivered to me

There is a newer 60 mph version available now for people who use country roads which might be dangerous to ride at 45 only.

Nice very good for getting about efficiently aswell

How is it charged? I've never seen them, I'm guessing a type 2 connector like the cars?

 

[larmen]

I take the batteries out and charge them in the kitchen, charging brick (massive) on regular socket.
Takes about 3 1/2 hours from 30% to full on a 4 kWh battery.

 

[PJ87]

I take the batteries out and charge them in the kitchen, charging brick (massive) on regular socket.
Takes about 3 1/2 hours from 30% to full on a 4 kWh battery.

Oh cool, old school style.

That's not bad at all

I guess you could charge off a plug at work if you were caught short?

3.5 hours is good going

 

[Deleted member 35577]

Wow 5400 posts in this thread. Surely it just needs everyone to reply Yes or No then the thread can be closed

 

[PJ87]

So in answer to the OP yes and yes

I would buy an EV

After leasing one for 3 years I bought one last month and today I took delivery of the wifes Kona

Delivered to me at work as they were closer to work then home. Easier all round

Delivered with a full charge

Ready to go

Very nice car inside and out

Not as fully loaded as the Kia but it's got everything she needs as a run about

Replacement charger arrived today aswell which my mate will swap over for me soon.

Happy days

 

[ColchesterFC]

I'm not convinced by the green credentials of many (but not all) EV "owners". Owners is is inverted commas as the current market seems to be set up largely for lease deals rather than outright ownership and I would question how "green" this option is. With the high cost of buying a new EV it seems that the majority of people getting a new EV are getting a lease deal where they get a brand new car for 2 or 3 years and then hand it back and repeat the process. Is it really more environmentally friendly to be doing that than buying a second hand ICE vehicle and running it into the ground? From some brief research (Google) it seems as though the "break even" point for an EV compared to an ICE vehicle is 15k to 20K miles. How many people that lease a new EV are going to be hitting that mileage in 2 years before handing their car back? Obviously there are some EV owners, such as PJ87, who are buying second hand EVs and using home renewables to charge them that aren't included in the above, but they would seem to be in the minority.

 

[PJ87]

Got her home..the kids have named her Elsa standard.

Mrs loves it. Happy valentines day

It's a nice drive, not as nice as the Kia but it's an excellent car and very efficient. Fast aswell lol jezz



Present to myself. Hello £175 extra savings per year.

 

[PJ87]

I'm not convinced by the green credentials of many (but not all) EV "owners". Owners is is inverted commas as the current market seems to be set up largely for lease deals rather than outright ownership and I would question how "green" this option is. With the high cost of buying a new EV it seems that the majority of people getting a new EV are getting a lease deal where they get a brand new car for 2 or 3 years and then hand it back and repeat the process. Is it really more environmentally friendly to be doing that than buying a second hand ICE vehicle and running it into the ground? From some brief research (Google) it seems as though the "break even" point for an EV compared to an ICE vehicle is 15k to 20K miles. How many people that lease a new EV are going to be hitting that mileage in 2 years before handing their car back? Obviously there are some EV owners, such as PJ87, who are buying second hand EVs and using home renewables to charge them that aren't included in the above, but they would seem to be in the minority.

It's a good point, it's a cycle that needs breaking for sure to be more green but will the world take the hit ? I mean cars cost enough can you imagine if we start keeping them 10 years each?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I'm not convinced by the green credentials of many (but not all) EV "owners". Owners is is inverted commas as the current market seems to be set up largely for lease deals rather than outright ownership and I would question how "green" this option is. With the high cost of buying a new EV it seems that the majority of people getting a new EV are getting a lease deal where they get a brand new car for 2 or 3 years and then hand it back and repeat the process. Is it really more environmentally friendly to be doing that than buying a second hand ICE vehicle and running it into the ground? From some brief research (Google) it seems as though the "break even" point for an EV compared to an ICE vehicle is 15k to 20K miles. How many people that lease a new EV are going to be hitting that mileage in 2 years before handing their car back? Obviously there are some EV owners, such as PJ87, who are buying second hand EVs and using home renewables to charge them that aren't included in the above, but they would seem to be in the minority.

I have raised similar points, but always get shouted down.
It seems consumerism is green......

 

[PJ87]

I have raised similar points, but always get shouted down.
It seems consumerism is green......

It's a valid point, the good thing about people changing means consumers get cheap second hand models

Dunno what's going to stop people going new tho, even with interest rates going up people still get new cars

 

[ColchesterFC]

It's a good point, it's a cycle that needs breaking for sure to be more green but will the world take the hit ? I mean cars cost enough can you imagine if we start keeping them 10 years each?

I do. I've never bought a new car and I've never sold a car as roadworthy. Every car I've owned has been run into the ground and then sold to a scrapyard (except for one that was written off after I crashed it). The two cars we currently own are a 12 plate Ford C-Max (given to me for nothing when my dad gave up driving) which has 80k miles on the clock and should last another 8 to 10 years at least and a 63 plate Vauxhall Zafira that we are probably going to trade in fairly soon for a second hand Transit type van for Mrs Colch's work so we can get rid of the caravan. I've never seen the point in buying a new car and watching the value drop by thousands of pounds as soon as you drive it off the forecourt.

 

[PJ87]

I do. I've never bought a new car and I've never sold a car as roadworthy. Every car I've owned has been run into the ground and then sold to a scrapyard (except for one that was written off after I crashed it). The two cars we currently own are a 12 plate Ford C-Max (given to me for nothing when my dad gave up driving) which has 80k miles on the clock and should last another 8 to 10 years at least and a 63 plate Vauxhall Zafira that we are probably going to trade in fairly soon for a second hand Transit type van for Mrs Colch's work so we can get rid of the caravan. I've never seen the point in buying a new car and watching the value drop by thousands of pounds as soon as you drive it off the forecourt.

I mix it up

Wrote off my first car, civic . Was me mum's

So got a mitsubishi colt kept 2 years but they contacted me and bought it back and put me in a lancer which had air con so I was delighted

Owned that for 4 years , traded in for a second hand BMW 3 series when I got promoted as a treat

Couple years with that but only got rid because I had knee surgery and the clutch killed my knee.

Got a brand new Toyota hybrid .. this was 2012

That car stayed until 2018, when we needed something bigger , so got a honda HRv (also then started 2 cars so had another civic, bought off my mum again)

Would have kept the HRv for years, it's now my mother in law's car .. but the twins meant Alhambra time .. and leased the EV to test (civic I gave to my aunt as her car broke so least that's green I kept it in the family again)

4 years later the Alhambra isn't needed so yes went new for the Kia but the Kona I bought second hand, that's the wife's car and we plan to keep them for a while.

Now the kids are getting to that age where you don't need the space you don't need to adapt as much for them . That car seat phase is rubbish ..

 

[larmen]

I've never seen the point in buying a new car and watching the value drop by thousands of pounds as soon as you drive it off the forecourt.

My depreciation on my 57 plate Focus is now down to under £1000 per year.

1 ‘careful’ owner, 34k miles. ;-)


I only got that one because my previous car (Ford Ka) had the steering wheel mom the other side.

 

[PJ87]

My depreciation on my 57 plate Focus is now down to under £1000 per year.

1 ‘careful’ owner, 34k miles. ;-)


I only got that one because my previous car (Ford Ka) had the steering wheel mom the other side.

I did rather well out of the Alhambra in the end

Bought march 2020 for £15250
Sold Feb 2024 for £10000

Even with a sunroof leak, he was fully aware but I could have got 11-12 .. that's remarkable.. about £100 pm it cost me in depreciation


That's why people lease tho, your just paying for that

The £275 I paid for the Corsa per month, their like 13k now, 37 brand new was it? So I handed them back a loss for them

 

[nickjdavis]

I do. I've never bought a new car and I've never sold a car as roadworthy. Every car I've owned has been run into the ground and then sold to a scrapyard (except for one that was written off after I crashed it). The two cars we currently own are a 12 plate Ford C-Max (given to me for nothing when my dad gave up driving) which has 80k miles on the clock and should last another 8 to 10 years at least and a 63 plate Vauxhall Zafira that we are probably going to trade in fairly soon for a second hand Transit type van for Mrs Colch's work so we can get rid of the caravan. I've never seen the point in buying a new car and watching the value drop by thousands of pounds as soon as you drive it off the forecourt.

My last three cars have been ex dealer demos purchased with between 7 and 14k miles on the clock and maybe a year to 16 months old and maybe 60-65% of original list price.

They have left my ownership having done 267k, 161k and 141k miles respectively.

I think I've avoided any depreciation issues!!!

 

[BubbaP]

My last three cars have been ex dealer demos purchased with between 7 and 14k miles on the clock and maybe a year to 16 months old and maybe 60-65% of original list price.

They have left my ownership having done 267k, 161k and 141k miles respectively.

I think I've avoided any depreciation issues!!!

Similar with current car, wasn't a demo but similar age and % of new - now circa 154k and not really worth trying to part ex. Is kinda how ended up with the leccy. Scrapped the previous runabout after the lockdowns, so the big ice car had been doing all the local, stop start stuff. An extended time in the dealership, 'cause they couldn't source a part ironically, brought focus back onto a local runabout.
I do wonder if it will become harder to run cars for so many years in future though, with so much controlled from in-built tablets these days, and will they last

 

[PJ87]

Similar with current car, wasn't a demo but similar age and % of new - now circa 154k and not really worth trying to part ex. Is kinda how ended up with the leccy. Scrapped the previous runabout after the lockdowns, so the big ice car had been doing all the local, stop start stuff. An extended time in the dealership, 'cause they couldn't source a part ironically, brought focus back onto a local runabout.
I do wonder if it will become harder to run cars for so many years in future though, with so much controlled from in-built tablets these days, and will they last

I'd say that tech in the tablet would cause more issues than the car themselves


They have so little moving parts compared to ice cars, 2000 down to 5 was it I read? Anyways the batteries have been proven to last ages now

And for example this Kona I've got. 46k on clock. Even if the battery degraded so bad it got 100 miles to a charge it still would suit my needs so no need to replace

 

[cliveb]

My depreciation on my 57 plate Focus is now down to under £1000 per year.

1 ‘careful’ owner, 34k miles. ;-)


I only got that one because my previous car (Ford Ka) had the steering wheel mom the other side.

I'm surprised to hear that a 57 plate Focus is even worth £1k, so of course it can't depreciate any more

But I agree that running a car into the ground makes sense, and is probably the most environmentally friendly form of motoring. As soon as something goes wrong that'll cost more to fix than the car is worth, get rid.